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Post by Cortney on May 16, 2010 20:57:40 GMT -5
Hey guys! Here are some basic guidelines the admins have drafted concerning forum behavior. Please post feedback, make suggestions, etc. Thanks! - Do not insult or attack other members, people, or ideas.
- It's okay (and expected) to disagree with other members, but keep the debate centered around their ideas rather than attacking them as a person.
- Keep to the original topic of a thread, unless the discussion has changed naturally and is still productive.
- If a staff member asks you to stop doing something, please follow their advice. If you have a problem with what the staff member said, you should discuss it with them privately.
- Try to type with proper spelling and grammar, but if you see another member with an error in their post, don't feel the need to correct them: ideas are more important than period placement.
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Post by Insane_Zang on May 16, 2010 21:06:47 GMT -5
lolwut? Is this the first thing admins have done that I 100% approve of?
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Post by Helmet on May 16, 2010 21:07:08 GMT -5
I think that an Forum without rules was kind of nice, yeah it would be nice to have those on paper, but that's mostly the morality of this forum. We don't need the rules for that, we've been following those for 6 months now without them being official.
I don't think we need those as an official thing, maybe as a guideline for the Admins/Future Mods, but I think that all of these rules are already in effect with out them being here.
This sounds a little Paradox-y to me...
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Post by Breepop on May 16, 2010 21:09:43 GMT -5
We want rules so it is easier to for mods/admins to point to something and say, "Hey, you're not supposed to do this." It's a lot easier to "warn" someone about something, or give them a general idea of how to act when it's written down. Telling someone they shouldn't be doing something is easily combated with "How was I supposed to know that was wrong!?" Yes, these rules have been unwritten in the past. Yes, these rules are common sense. However, some users... don't have common sense.
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Post by Insane_Zang on May 16, 2010 21:10:44 GMT -5
OH HAY! THAT'S ME!!
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Post by Trey on May 16, 2010 21:11:24 GMT -5
Morality is different from ethics.
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Post by chelseeyuh on May 16, 2010 21:12:38 GMT -5
It's okay (and expected) to disagree with other members, but keep the debate centered around their ideas rather than attacking them as a person. THIS I CAN'T HELP IT! I feel like I'm being singled out by this
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Post by Breepop on May 16, 2010 21:13:02 GMT -5
I'm changing the title of this thread to "Forum Guidelines Draft!" by the way. The word "rules" is so poo.
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Post by Cortney on May 16, 2010 21:14:03 GMT -5
I CAN'T HELP IT! I feel like I'm being singled out by this You're not the only one that does it, Chels.
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Post by Trey on May 16, 2010 21:19:21 GMT -5
It's okay (and expected) to disagree with other members, but keep the debate centered around their ideas rather than attacking them as a person. THIS I CAN'T HELP IT! I feel like I'm being singled out by this Well, holy mother of Jesus; what is this?! You forgot to add punctuation at the end of that bolded sentence!
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Post by Helmet on May 16, 2010 21:24:05 GMT -5
I just think that this shouldn't be for the whole community to see, give them the idea there are rules, but you don't need to know them, just use common sense and you'll be fine.
While Admins and Mods are told these rules and have to; A) Follow them B) Tell anyone who isn't following them to stop it.
It doesn't have to be a PM saying, "IN SUBSECTION A OF DA RULES YOU HAVE TO ALWAYS NOT SAY THE N-WORD" That was a bad example, if I offended anybody, sorry!
You should just send a little blurb to them asking them to stop it, and if it continues, then you should start using actual quotes and maybe bringing out the BANHAMMER.
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Post by Speckley on May 16, 2010 21:28:46 GMT -5
Helmet: By having guidelines, we are making a preemptive strike at disruptive/disrespectful behaviour. And as Bree has already stated, some people don't use their common sense.
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Post by Insane_Zang on May 16, 2010 21:30:15 GMT -5
And as Bree has already stated, some people don't use their common sense.
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Post by sarahendipity on May 16, 2010 21:33:08 GMT -5
i r haz nut gud spelin an gramr. c:
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Post by Helmet on May 16, 2010 21:33:58 GMT -5
I agree with having the guidelines, I don't think we should shut this down, but have this as the set of guidelines that the Admins/Mods are the only ones that can see it. If a new rule is added, say so in a POGOTOK, but I just don't like the idea of rules being advertised here.
I could tell this could become a huge 1 vs. Admin debate, and I really don't want it to, so I'm going to stop posting on this thread only if something HUGE happens, I've voiced my opinion, and fought off my inner Zombie enough, and I don't want to fight you guys.
I've said my opinion, and that's it.
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Post by Cortney on May 16, 2010 21:39:11 GMT -5
It's just a lot easier if the members know the rules we're expecting them to follow. I see no reason why we need the guidelines to be a secret.
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Post by jmejia1187 on May 16, 2010 21:54:00 GMT -5
I have to side with the admins on this one. I personally think that people on the moon purposely break these guidlines all the time. However the list can be edited a bit. For example, point 1 and 2 (Don't attack members, and keep debate centered around ideas), can be combined into one point: An ad hominem attack is no substitute for a valid argument.
Also, in the listen to admins rule, I think "please follow their advice", should be changed to please consider following their advice! It sounds a bit less demanding and creates the space some people need to think about their actions, as opposed to being forced to change what they did because Big Brother, uhm, I mean, the admins, said so...
Thank you for making this list. I think it will resolve many of the problems people on the moon have been having. I sort of wish that the wiki admins will come up with a similar list. I saw one of my close friends listed for trolling today. He is a wiki noob. I think he didn't know any better (lacked common sense)...
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Post by jmejia1187 on May 16, 2010 21:57:50 GMT -5
It's just a lot easier if the members know the rules we're expecting them to follow. I see no reason why we need the guidelines to be a secret. I also agree here. If you call someone out, and they say they didn't know about the rule, they will blame the admins for keeping it secret. And now that the guidelines are posted, admins are being told to keep it secret. You can never please everyone, even if the intentions are good. But again, i side with the admins. I wouldn't want to make a mistake out of ignorance of the rules. And warning people individually who are ignorant of the rules is a lot more work than just posting the rules for everyone to see.
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Post by Rob on May 16, 2010 22:40:08 GMT -5
I like all the rules/guidelines (semantical differences do not change what the list is) given in the original post. My thoughts on what should be added follow below. - Do not post anything for the purposes of inciting anger in your fellow members. (This is one way to say "Do not troll" to a non-forum-savvy member.)
- Do not post blatantly violent, vulgar, illegal or obscene content without context.
- Do not post solely to increase your post count. Try your best to make everything you post a positive, meaningful contribution to the thread topic. (This is one way to say "Do not spam" to a non-forum-savvy member.)
- Do not create an additional account for the purposes of evading a ban.
- Before you post a new thread, try your best to determine that no thread containing the same content already exists elsewhere.
- If you're not sure in which section to post something, note it in your thread. If it's wrong, forum staff will move it to the correct section.
- Try your best not to post back-to-back with your own posts in any one thread unless it is necessary. Use the "edit" function.
- The only situation where it is okay to post in a thread whose most recent post is more than two (2) weeks old is if you have something meaningful to contribute to the conversation that has not already been posted.
Mind you, these are all simply suggestions. Some are obvious things, some aren't. Some are very specific and some are intentionally vague. I encourage rewording and retooling. ;D
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Post by Danielle on May 16, 2010 23:53:52 GMT -5
Those are some excellent suggestions.
One thing, though[for this entire discussion], we need to distinguish between guidelines and rules, or will there be no rules? Just all guidelines?
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