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Post by Lex on Jul 5, 2010 16:38:05 GMT -5
"Oh, they might be made fun of, so they shouldn't be able to raise kids"
Real clear logic, kid.
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Post by Sean on Jul 5, 2010 17:16:23 GMT -5
"Oh, they might be made fun of, so they shouldn't be able to raise kids" Real clear logic, kid. Yes, clear logic compleatly. How would anyone like it if they were "born (I expect they wont remember their old parents) " into a family where everyone looks down on them. You may like to think that it wont happen, but it does. There is no way around this until people learn. Anyway, you were born into some out of the norm, family that could not have kids... and on top of that you are allways looked down upon. Make it hard to invite people round as kids and always have the piss taken out of you. Horrable. And yes, its FACT. People with gay parents are 70% more likely to be bullied. I know I wouldn't want that for myself.
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Post by Lex on Jul 5, 2010 17:20:06 GMT -5
"Oh, they might be made fun of, so they shouldn't be able to raise kids" Real clear logic, kid. Yes, clear logic compleatly. How would anyone like it if they were "born (I expect they wont remember their old parents) " into a family where everyone looks down on them. You may like to think that it wont happen, but it does. There is no way around this until people learn. Anyway, you were born into some out of the norm, family that could not have kids... and on top of that you are allways looked down upon. Make it hard to invite people round as kids and always have the piss taken out of you. Horrable. And yes, its FACT. People with gay parents are 70% more likely to be bullied. I know I wouldn't want that for myself. Which is why we need to CHANGE SOCIETY'S OUTLOOK, rather than DESTROY PEOPLE'S OPPORTUNITIES. So, what... if I happen to marry a guy who I love, and if I've always wanted to have children, this means that I shouldn't? Well, thank God I live in a place where I can. You, sir, are a shockingly ignorant individual and a perpetrator for the reasons why society cannot progress. I'm not sure if you know about something called interracial couples. A while ago, they were considered wrong and that kids shouldn't be raised by them because they would be made fun of. What's the general outlook now? IT'S PERFECTLY OKAY. My parents are an interracial couple. There's nothing wrong with it. There's no difference with homosexual couples raising children.
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Post by Sean on Jul 5, 2010 17:24:40 GMT -5
Yes, clear logic compleatly. How would anyone like it if they were "born (I expect they wont remember their old parents) " into a family where everyone looks down on them. You may like to think that it wont happen, but it does. There is no way around this until people learn. Anyway, you were born into some out of the norm, family that could not have kids... and on top of that you are allways looked down upon. Make it hard to invite people round as kids and always have the piss taken out of you. Horrable. And yes, its FACT. People with gay parents are 70% more likely to be bullied. I know I wouldn't want that for myself. Which is why we need to CHANGE SOCIETY'S OUTLOOK, rather than DESTROY PEOPLE'S OPPORTUNITIES. So, what... if I happen to marry a guy who I love, and if I've always wanted to have children, this means that I shouldn't? Well, thank God I live in a place where I can. You, sir, are a shockingly ignorant individual and a perpetrator for the reasons why society cannot progress. "So, what... if I happen to marry a guy who I love, and if I've always wanted to have children, this means that I shouldn't?" First, you cannot have your own children, Would this not make the child less special to you as they wouldn't be you? AND Im saying you should consider the child first, especially if its an older one brought up with opinions to look down upon gay people.
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 5, 2010 17:27:01 GMT -5
I may consider homosexuality a disorder, but at the same time not allowing them adopt children would be creating a double standard. Think about it this way. If we take sexuality out of the picture, and then allow a man and a woman to adopt a child ,and then we will move on and let a single man odopt a child, then why would we argue against two man adopting a child?
Of course I will adress the other side of the issue (and its not that the kid will be picked on in school). The fear that I would have is for a proper development of a child. In its early stages of live it may have trouble understanding why it was two dads (for example). This may become a greater problem when it goes to school for a first time, and realizes that his family is different then others. Later it may even have trouble understanding why his sexual preference (yes, I used that word) is different then his parents. Let me adress this issue. Yes, a possibility of a child with two parents of the same gender creates a possibility of that child having some kind of mental issues (depresion etc.), but we have to remember that there is still a posibility of such things developing even in a regular family. This is why homosexuals should be able to adopt a child, but that child should be observed closer by the institutions at hand then in a regular family, to ensure proper development.
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Post by Lex on Jul 5, 2010 17:28:32 GMT -5
"So, what... if I happen to marry a guy who I love, and if I've always wanted to have children, this means that I shouldn't?" First, you cannot have your own children, Would this not make the child less special to you as they wouldn't be you? AND Im saying you should consider the child first, especially if its an older one brought up with opinions to look down upon gay people. Oh, so you're against adoption in general? This is why homosexuals should be able to adopt a child, but that child should be observed closer by the institutions at hand then in a regular family, to ensure proper development. Proper development. You make me laugh. I'm sorry, but I can't take you seriously with your whole "gays are mentally ill" thing.
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 5, 2010 17:32:06 GMT -5
Alex, wtf? You should be attacking my arguments.
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Post by Sean on Jul 5, 2010 17:32:07 GMT -5
"So, what... if I happen to marry a guy who I love, and if I've always wanted to have children, this means that I shouldn't?" First, you cannot have your own children, Would this not make the child less special to you as they wouldn't be you? AND Im saying you should consider the child first, especially if its an older one brought up with opinions to look down upon gay people. Oh, so you're against adoption in general? This is why homosexuals should be able to adopt a child, but that child should be observed closer by the institutions at hand then in a regular family, to ensure proper development. Proper development. You make me laugh. I'm sorry, but I can't take you seriously with your whole "gays are mentally ill" thing. If I tried taking you seriously, I'd probably vomit for days and write a thousand essays on why I've lost all hope for humanity. Actually, I am. I understand it does have benifits and it a nessesity... but I dont support it myself.
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Post by Lex on Jul 5, 2010 17:33:56 GMT -5
Oh, so you're against adoption in general? Proper development. You make me laugh. I'm sorry, but I can't take you seriously with your whole "gays are mentally ill" thing. If I tried taking you seriously, I'd probably vomit for days and write a thousand essays on why I've lost all hope for humanity. Actually, I am. I understand it does have benifits and it a nessesity... but I dont support it myself. Alright. You're crazy. You've lost all credibility.
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Post by Sean on Jul 5, 2010 17:37:22 GMT -5
Actually, I am. I understand it does have benifits and it a nessesity... but I dont support it myself. Alright. You're crazy. You've lost all credibility. Yep, someone disagrees with your point of view and they are instantly wrong.
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 5, 2010 17:42:04 GMT -5
Thank you This is how one wins an argument Alex. I have presented a bunch of arguments, and supported them with reasoning. You on the other hand have not presented anything of interest for the entire time "unless telling me that I'm not an expert is somehow an argument". You did even less then that, YOU HAVE NOT ADRESSED ANY OF MY POINTS What you did is attacked me on a person level multiple times. THIS IS HOW A DEBATE IS WON. I'm happy that I ended up debating with you, and not a person that would actually have something reasonable to say. You made it that much easier. Oh, and you are an ass, don't ever get into a debate about homosexuals again because you can't controll yourself when it comes down to topics that are personal to you. People like you are a reason why society looks down on minorities.
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Post by Lex on Jul 5, 2010 17:51:19 GMT -5
Thank you This is how one wins an argument Alex. I have presented a bunch of arguments, and supported them with reasoning. You on the other hand have not presented anything of interest for the entire time "unless telling me that I'm not an expert is somehow an argument". You did even less then that, YOU HAVE NOT ADRESSED ANY OF MY POINTS What you did is attacked me on a person level multiple times. THIS IS HOW A DEBATE IS WON. I'm happy that I ended up debating with you, and not a person that would actually have something reasonable to say. You made it that much easier. Oh, and you are an ass, don't ever get into a debate about homosexuals again because you can't controll yourself when it comes down to topics that are personal to you. People like you are a reason why society looks down on minorities. Points? I'm sorry, please clarify.
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Post by Sean on Jul 5, 2010 17:52:51 GMT -5
Thank you This is how one wins an argument Alex. I have presented a bunch of arguments, and supported them with reasoning. You on the other hand have not presented anything of interest for the entire time "unless telling me that I'm not an expert is somehow an argument". You did even less then that, YOU HAVE NOT ADRESSED ANY OF MY POINTS What you did is attacked me on a person level multiple times. THIS IS HOW A DEBATE IS WON. I'm happy that I ended up debating with you, and not a person that would actually have something reasonable to say. You made it that much easier. Oh, and you are an ass, don't ever get into a debate about homosexuals again because you can't controll yourself when it comes down to topics that are personal to you. People like you are a reason why society looks down on minorities. Now that is not true either. Alex is just defending his belief... its natural and I can completely understand that. Also, i'm going to point out that not everything I posted there ^ is compleatly true, most of it is there to spark up some discussion rather than yes... yes... your right... I like to see people actually getting involved, otherwise it is not worth having. Sum up of my 100% honest beliefs: * Homosexual persons deserve equality throughout society, who they are attracted to should have nothing to do with what rights they have * Adoption is something that should be avoided at ALL costs. There will ALLWAYS be some family member or family friend. Only then must they go for adoption. * I also semi agree that homosexuals should adopt. It is an efficient way of making both groups of people happy. However it must be ensured they have an adult figure of the opposing sex to who can provide a stable base.
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 5, 2010 18:06:56 GMT -5
alex, so according to you I have gave nothing to support my thesis? Sean S., you must be on some heave LSD hehe. You just took the entire paragraph and simply said that its not true. I have said more then one thing, so what are you refering to? "Alex is just defending his belief... its natural and I can completely understand that." EDIT: Oh, that's so nice of you Alex, you just deleted your responce where you told me that you would throw up if you wanted to take me seriously. And that because of me you lost all hope for the humanity. Very mature, you really know how to debate.
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Post by Morma on Jul 5, 2010 18:10:47 GMT -5
In a civilization so advanced, why do people even care anymore? Humans build their lives up for one reason: To make themselves happy. If being with a member of the same sex makes you happy, I think you should go for it.
Also, I don't agree with the whole "BUT DEY CUNT HAS CHILLDRUN!" crap. I think our surplus population is just fine with the kids we already have.
Edit: I just read the above argument.. What's the problem with a gay couple adopting a child? There are tons of family-less children, and gay couples wanting to adopt would just help that. They would provide the child with a happy, friendly environment (if the couple is a good one, there can be bad gays as there are bad heterosexual couples), raise the child, make he or she happy, and at the same time not add to our huge population.
On the note that some people think the child may develop issues: Many children develop issues as they age with heterosexual couples, why can they adopt? I think as most as they raise the child happy and healthily, what's the problem? Gays have equal rights. They're people and aspire to have a family just like any other heterosexual couple would.
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Jul 5, 2010 18:19:44 GMT -5
Oh, so you're against adoption in general? Proper development. You make me laugh. I'm sorry, but I can't take you seriously with your whole "gays are mentally ill" thing. If I tried taking you seriously, I'd probably vomit for days and write a thousand essays on why I've lost all hope for humanity. Actually, I am. I understand it does have benifits and it a nessesity... but I dont support it myself. So what do you suggest we do with the hundreds of thousands of children that don't have homes?
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 5, 2010 18:31:04 GMT -5
RandiKthxxx, you are quoting out of context.
This: "Oh, so you're against adoption in general?" was a response to sean. This: "Proper development. You make me laugh. I'm sorry, but I can't take you seriously with your whole "gays are mentally ill" thing. If I tried taking you seriously, I'd probably vomit for days and write a thousand essays on why I've lost all hope for humanity." was for me, for saying something complitly different.
You make it seem like we are the same person.
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Jul 5, 2010 18:32:22 GMT -5
My last post was directed to Sean.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 5, 2010 19:30:35 GMT -5
"Believe not because some old manuscripts are produced, believe not because it is your natural belief, believe not because you have been made to believe from your childhood, but reason truth out, and after you have analyzed it, then if you find it will do good to one and all, believe it, live up to it and help other live up to it." -Buddha I feel like this is an issue where people are just lazy and don't reason out their opinions for themselves. They believe what they believe because it's what they were told to believe. I'm amazed that this debate is still going on, and even more amazed that 2 people voted "no." If people actually thought about the issue, there would be nothing to argue about. It's really that simple.
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 5, 2010 20:51:34 GMT -5
Chelsea, just for the sake of the argument ( coz I'm like that ), you are assuming a couple of things. 1. That all people after thinking about it would reach the same conclusion. This is simply impossible. 2. That there is only one debate about this topic going on. I would like to point out that I think the question " Are you okay with homosexuality? " is too large of an idea to simply anwser "yes" or "no". 3.That you MUST be right. This is a really ignorant position to take yourself. If you assume this position here, you may as well assume it everywhere. So what's the point of talking to us mortals? 4. That NO ONE (or at least majority) of people on the oposite side were really thinking about it before the discussion and none of them have any valid arguments. In that case, you may also go on and say that EVERYONE (or at least majority of people on your side of the argument) know what they are talking about, bring only valid points, and are experts on the topic (such as Alex, who doesn't have to argue, as an expert he rather just insult people).
I don't think that the last one is actually valid, but I still added it for the sake of argument.
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