Soup629
Meteorite
Life is never easy for those who dream.
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Post by Soup629 on Jul 15, 2010 13:13:57 GMT -5
Reading this thread revealed every single flaw of the tribe.
You all want someone to take the initiative, but when someone DOES take the initiative and creates a thread like this one. You cry that you didn't have a say in it. Get over yourselves and think straight. This thread is simply the initiative to take action, with suggested systems. As the makers of this have said, this is NOT the final end all be all.
I honestly think we have to have some sort of government, or some system of order. Every organization that works does. We look at any charity anywhere and you'll see that they have a hierarchy of power. It's how shift happens. Obviously whatever our current system is doing, is not working. Anarchy does not work. Organization is needed if we want to make a change in the world. That being said, I have to agree with System 1. We need someone to rally under and take charge and give us a direction that's specific. We ALL have ideas, and we all want to change the world, but we disagree so much on how to do it that nothing is getting done.
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Post by newschooled on Jul 15, 2010 13:18:51 GMT -5
Remind me again...WHY do we need a leader?
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 15, 2010 13:21:51 GMT -5
just a single unifying force to set us back on course when we need it. to step in and say "HEY! FOCUS HERE!!!" someone who could help us use the full potential of the tribe's resources.
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Soup629
Meteorite
Life is never easy for those who dream.
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Post by Soup629 on Jul 15, 2010 13:27:36 GMT -5
That's really a silly thing to say. A leader is needed to give us direction and to keep things ordered. We are ALL obviously capable of thinking for ourselves, but we ALL have a different way we want to do it, and we've shown that we're too stubborn to get anything done that a leader or a group of admins doesn't start (The Wiki).
When something is broken you fix it. This is no different.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 15, 2010 13:31:59 GMT -5
Reading this thread revealed every single flaw of the tribe. You all want someone to take the initiative, but when someone DOES take the initiative and creates a thread like this one. You cry that you didn't have a say in it. No one else did anything because no one else was unhappy with the tribe government. Somehow, Asher didn't realize that Dan was leaving the tribe, even though he's said from the beginning that it would happen. When Dan "officially" left, Asher freaked out and did this... Don't be so accusatory. It's really unnecessary.
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 15, 2010 13:34:45 GMT -5
i knew it was going to happen...but i tried to change THAT...when he really made it official, lol we freaked out and made this
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Post by mashuga31 on Jul 15, 2010 13:46:06 GMT -5
I wouldn't call it a freak out, i'd call it taking the initiative to keep the ball stable. Otherwise we'd all roll off of a cliff.
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Soup629
Meteorite
Life is never easy for those who dream.
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Post by Soup629 on Jul 15, 2010 13:47:57 GMT -5
So nobody is unhappy with the fact that we do pretty much nothing BECAUSE of our lack of (a) leader(s) to guide where we are going. Right, okay. Remember that it was more than just Asher that created this. We aren't the Borg, we can't just read each others thoughts and start something. Somebody has to propose it first, and they proposed something.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 15, 2010 13:57:11 GMT -5
So nobody is unhappy with the fact that we do pretty much nothing BECAUSE of our lack of (a) leader(s) to guide where we are going. Right, okay. Remember that it was more than just Asher that created this. We aren't the Borg, we can't just read each others thoughts and start something. Somebody has to propose it first, and they proposed something. "We"? You haven't posted in nearly 4 months, yet you someone know exactly where we are as a tribe? Yeah.. ok... And Asher + 3 other people writing something =/= the entire tribe being unhappy. And in case you haven't noticed, Dan stopped leading a long time ago.. We've done fine on our own for a while. We just came to a lull in activity. It had nothing to do with Dan "leaving."
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Post by Rogers91 on Jul 15, 2010 13:57:49 GMT -5
OK i read it all and every single comment and i must say... you guys are insane... so as a new member who has little to no authority and no notable experience i can see these systems as well bad...
first off the systems... system 1 is never going to work... Dan might not be here very often but in a sense is still here... he wont be our leader and if you have watched his you tube videos for the past 9 months it is obvious Dan was planning to make the pogo tribe its own being. Dan touched it made it and is our so called god but not our leader he gave us goals and brought us together and then he left... Dan is god and Jesus in Christianity for our tribe... Dan is no longer needed and shouldn't be replaced yet if Dan came back right now and said something we would obey... maybe i am making connections from nothing but i can see this metaphor so easily... (in no way am i saying Dan is a god) so what i am saying is simple Dan is here watching over us and would jump in if needed but his presence will be almost so invisible we might not even notice it.. other than Dan's slight presence and our memory of why he brought us here and made this place Dan is no longer needed and there for is none replaceable... so system 1 is a no go and no form of 1 should ever be attempted...
number 2 admins in charge and all that jazz... uh isn't that how it is but with allot more rules and gibberish thrown on top to sound good...
number 3 uh thats a republic.. its a form of government we are based off of and Greece and Rome used.. the govt of today that most closely resembles this is france... so uhhh... no... lets not be a modern useless government that makes major decisions when uh hmm we are a forum thats all... a community that doesn't need such rules and regulations...
so what should we do... well I'm new i don't know how the old ways have worked cause i just got here... however we seem just fine.. all we need is a direction not related to Dan brown in anyway.
also if the spotm needed Dan at any point and was truly having problems don't you think he would step in and do what is needed to fix it or help... now when i say this i mean the forum has died and all admins have quite and there hasn't been activity for a week kind of problem...
so in a nut shell we should carry on with out worrying about Dan maybe we will support Dan instead of Dan supporting us... basically i think where fine and don't need such an insane system set up.. well I'm done ranting for now if you need me i will be trying to buy a game cube from a yard sale and will be back when i haggle the price down to 20 bucks...
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Post by newschooled on Jul 15, 2010 14:03:30 GMT -5
I don't think it has anything to do with lack of a leader or governance. It's a lack of individual initiatives. If everyone really truly wanted to be pushing projects with original ideas through, it would be happening. Sure there's a few people with the drive, but it's not universal...And you can't MAKE someone participate in/carry a project through to completion, let alone with a figurehead.
...Just my 2 cents.
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Post by prettypenguin on Jul 15, 2010 14:05:00 GMT -5
I think you all need to suck it up. I half ass read this thread because it doesn't need that much attention. "Wahh wahh we don't have a leader now cause dan's gone" you have the admins. You may not like the admins or like what they do but they are them, that's who is in charge. Obviously they aren't horrible, the place is still running is it not?
Don't leave it to them to make all the big decisions. You were capable of writing a huge Due to my laziness and short attention span, I have decided not to read your lengthy post. post. Then you are perfectly capable of actually doing something for this forum. Or you know, we can waste our efforts more bickering about how you don't like who is doing what. You don't NEED a person to tell you what to do in regards to leadership. The admins are here to keep order, why do they need to be doing all the things you lot are too lazy to do. Do you ask a cop to write your school paper? No you don't. Stop complaining about each other and how everything is ran and just do something. You're wasting more time and effort complaining than even doing anything. You want to change the world? Then do it.
The admins CAN be a guiding force but it shouldn't be their job. You don't need to know what they are doing or how they are doing it up in their hideout. If they wanted you to know they'd make the super ultra secret staff forum (which is actually just full of porn) public to you all. They are in charge merely to give the place order, we're no 4chan. Unless you want it to be then we'll go with your ideas. What do you want to happen? A popularity contest to decide who's the best leader? F that. Everyone is perfectly capable of doing things all on their own. You don't need to have someone standing over you all the time. Just stop complaining and do something!
/rant over.
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Post by Rogers91 on Jul 15, 2010 14:08:41 GMT -5
as a small amendment... dan in no way said he is leaveing the moon... his words clearly said he was so inactive now that him being leader was a waste of our time... so he steped down... in every way dan still has an account on the moon and will most likely call upon us when and if he ever needs us... but he was always ment to leave.. he is not needed the reason things are slow is it is summer time and most people the tribe have time off.. because alot of us are from the US and are under 18 and still in public school so please understand those who are out of the school systema and getting bored you are working with kids... and it is summer and they want to play instead of hide inside on a nice day on there computer...
wait omg did a new guy just solve the mystery of the slow down on the moon... naaa what am i talking about i only have three siblings running around trying to spend as much time outside whilst the time of school is over..
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Post by Joey on Jul 15, 2010 14:48:48 GMT -5
The admins CAN be a guiding force but it shouldn't be their job. You don't need to know what they are doing or how they are doing it up in their hideout. If they wanted you to know they'd make the super ultra secret staff forum (which is actually just full of porn) public to you all. They are in charge merely to give the place order, we're no 4chan. Sorry have to dissagree. Admins are mainly to give order, but there is more. Admins are sort of our guide. They keep order yes, but they work to keep us on the right trail. They are kind of our guides. They dont know where were going either, but they were chosen because they jell together as a team to be the best guides. They are in this with us, but they have the authority. A guide with no map, but a guide none the less. I personally think that there dosent need to be a leader. We have project leaders, project volunteers, admins, and those who just hang out. We dont need a single leader, we just need the tribe as a whole to lead themselves. We need to work as a team to lead ourselves. I go back to the trail analogy. If we work together we can try to find the path, and the reason that its so hard is because no one has ever tread it before. No map, no directions. I think all the problems are coming from the fact that were not used to having a map(leader) that can tell us what to do and where to go. Once we can do that, we then need to know where were going. But we also need to know where we come from, which I think we will do once we get a noble cause down.
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Post by prettypenguin on Jul 15, 2010 14:54:28 GMT -5
Yeah ok you disagreed then restated what I said? Good job.
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Post by Joey on Jul 15, 2010 14:55:28 GMT -5
Yeah ok you disagreed then restated what I said? Good job. I meant I dissagreed with the point that they are only here to keep order.
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Post by zAkAtAk on Jul 15, 2010 15:03:44 GMT -5
Yeah ok you disagreed then restated what I said? Good job. <3
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Post by Trey on Jul 15, 2010 15:03:48 GMT -5
Everyone go watch "The Ant Bully". It's available on netflix for instant play right now. Maybe then you might know how we should act as a tribe.
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 15, 2010 15:35:37 GMT -5
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Post by Breepop on Jul 15, 2010 15:46:02 GMT -5
k, see, when I read this, I didn't read it as "Hey guys, look, a few of us thought the Tribe needed some direction, so we took it upon ourselves to write up a few suggestions/ideas. Let us know what you think, but feel free to edit them a bit, as well. And there's nothing wrong with suggesting a brand new idea, either." You guys seem to be trying to play it off like the post was like that, but it wasn't.
It was more... "We need to do something RIGHT NOW. This is how you should feel about the current situation and why you should feel it. We're going to do this, this, or this. There are no other options, we must choose one. This is how it's going to be, like it or not."
Instead of opening up discussion, you presented a heartless ultimatum. Surely you can see how this would be upsetting to a lot of people?
It wasn't until much later that you asked for new ideas... hence why you didn't receive any.
Not that I'm completely hating on this thread... I love it for sparking up this discussion. But I hate it for the aforementioned reasons.
Also, this might be better suited for Chelsea's thread, and I might just quote it there, too, but...
I don't think "CHANGE NOTHING" is a good choice, either. The admins have been trying (and almost focusing solely on) to improve the forum's "government" for over a month. It's been insanely difficult. Several admins have been on vacation, several admins have just been lazy and and inactive, and very few have been fighting extremely hard to keep things alive and running (*cough*). (I should remind you that this would likely be a problem on any sort of team or council. Just because people are elected by the community doesn't make them immune to laziness, having a life, or unexpected emergencies.) I still don't think the admin team is perfect, but we are oodles closer to being an epic team than we were a month ago.
So yes! We do need improvement. And you guys can help us. That's awesome. Can't tell you how grateful I am that you guys are adamant about this.
That being said, I don't believe we need some sort drastic change. With the admin team shaping up, and the natural leaders clearly speaking their minds as of late, I think things are looking on the ups as far as forum "government" goes.
Just my opinion. : D
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