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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 15, 2010 20:07:01 GMT -5
well, discuss them here...the reason i want to add them to THAT thread, is because we will have to make a decision as a tribe soon on where we want to go from here, and i just think it makes sense to organize them in one central location just to make it easier to keep track of.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 18, 2010 2:53:27 GMT -5
BUMP.
Why did everyone freak the fuck out for like, less than a day, and then stop. Does anyone care about fixing the forum government, or is this discussion over?
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Post by Speckley on Jul 18, 2010 3:14:04 GMT -5
BUMP. Why did everyone freak the fuck out for like, less than a day, and then stop. Does anyone care about fixing the forum government, or is this discussion over? Dude. I can understand your enthusiasm to move along, but these things take time. (And I share in that enthusiasm, don't get me wrong.) I'm definitely all for the free-flowing government idea. While yes, I like structure, and organization... I would definitely not want anyone's idea (on how to run the tribe more effectively, on general SPOTM government, etc.) to get lost in bureaucracy/politics.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 18, 2010 3:17:43 GMT -5
I know they take time, but it seems like not many people looked at this thread, and those that did didn't really have any feedback.. so it seems like people stopped posting here because they don't care, not because they're taking their time thinking this over.
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Post by Speckley on Jul 18, 2010 3:26:30 GMT -5
I know they take time, but it seems like not many people looked at this thread, and those that did didn't really have any feedback.. so it seems like people stopped posting here because they don't care, not because they're taking their time thinking this over. I will talk to the other admins about making an announcement about the Forum Government section tomorrow (well, technically, today). =)
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Post by cmc413 (aka Chrissy) on Aug 5, 2010 13:45:23 GMT -5
I really like Chelsea and Cortney's ideas about forum government since they're pretty straight-forward and make room for "natural leaders" to emerge.
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Post by bombmaniac on Aug 5, 2010 13:57:57 GMT -5
i like melons.
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Post by NormanTheOne on Aug 5, 2010 13:58:19 GMT -5
I believe natural leaders aren't given room to emerge. It's just a little more freedom then there is now. Natural leaders would have the mentioned powers naturally, hence being natural leaders. I think not all natural leaders lead a good cause, hence not all natural leaders deserve the power. I think the admins are doing a fine job keeping this place together, but maybe sub-admins could help out, I'm not sure if that's the same as moderators but yah, you catch my drift.
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Post by mrelliotb on Aug 5, 2010 23:42:04 GMT -5
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Post by bombmaniac on Aug 6, 2010 0:39:30 GMT -5
olol second...
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Post by rileykeaton on Aug 25, 2010 20:48:58 GMT -5
Ok Government is my thing so if I make a super long post ....my apologies.
So my thought basically revolves around the Classical Republic with slight alterations. I believe ina a political currency so to speak. When you contribute projects either personally or through the triads, you earn a points.
I am personally very constitutionally supportive. I believe in a system where the original delegates approve a constitution and it is sent out to popular editing. So this means we are Democratic for the very base of our government.
In this system, triads ought to form together and accumulate points. When you have more points, you are able to get more delegates. So when Alliance A has three triads in it, but 600 points, and B has 9 triads in it but only 200 points, this supports activity and contribution. So if we wish for a shift from MANY leaders to fewer leaders, then alliances can expend their points elsewhere in the system.
Also, courts ought to be formed to protect or prosecute a individual or group from a Moderator or Admin decision. The Alliances must spend points on member cases. OR if you operate under personal projects and make your own points, you can afford a challenge to the mods.
So now we have the Executives. The Executives are the general police and patrol group. They send post removals on their own will but cannot orchestrate a forum ban without Delegate support and Court approval.
The Delegates are the legislators of this government. The Delegates can be privately funded by a group of people or by an alliance. The Delegates must be active. If they do not attend 3 consecutive meetings without proper reasoning, then they will be removed from office.
Office caps would be nice. To where there are about 200 Delegates MAX. And Alliances can manipulate that number to the best of their ability.
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Post by bombmaniac on Sept 2, 2010 11:54:59 GMT -5
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Post by theeverbored on Sept 4, 2010 6:33:03 GMT -5
It seems as though most people want a simple "natural leadership" styled government, which is great. I'm in favor of the simplicity but as a tribe we need to decide what we're going to do with these natural leaders.
In the real world natural leaders would be chosen by their ability to lead 'us' (the group) into decisions and actions that worked out the best for the whole. That's all great but once that leader is established we then as the whole would follow those people, doing what they said, even if it didn't directly benefit us or whether or not we agreed. Here on the internet accountability to that value of commitment is a little more difficult. While I in no way want SPOTM to start controlling our lives I pose this question to those in favor of natural leadership, what are we going to do with our leaders?
I mean to say that if natural leaders are going to be our project leaders, our center of balance, and the people we look to, we must then find a way to give them the tools and, *bear with me,* the power to do what leaders do and lead.
The Admins have the power to change layouts and keep the trolls in check and it seems that natural leaders are people other then those assigned to those tasks. I think that we must decide how to give the authority and responsibility to people who rise up to the other task as a 'Leaders' or "Creative Leaders" or "Natural Leaders"...whatever we want to call them...
I really have no idea what the solution is to this. I just wanted to hear peoples' thoughts and start a discussion.
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Post by speedyreedy on Sept 6, 2010 21:38:17 GMT -5
"Natural leader" describes a personality trait, not a form of government. If we have those people, we should still find some way to "elect" them into a government or council, which I believe should be fixed term, and include both admin members and non-admin members.
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Post by bombmaniac on Sept 7, 2010 10:28:53 GMT -5
"elected" councils or whatever is not going to happen. you need to take that position. this place isnt organized to get a "government" going.
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Post by speedyreedy on Sept 11, 2010 10:32:59 GMT -5
So you want someone to step up and say "Hey, I'm in power around here - come to me if you have anything to discuss"? Not sure that'll go down too well...
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Post by Sean on Sept 11, 2010 11:10:43 GMT -5
Hey, I'm in charge around here - Come to me if you have anything to discuss!
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Post by Ricky on Sept 11, 2010 11:19:30 GMT -5
yea i can see what Chris is saying...
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Post by bombmaniac on Sept 11, 2010 21:44:20 GMT -5
well, i dont mean by imposing your power on others i simply mean making it clear taht you want to be in charge and acting in accordance with that "statement" - kind of taking charge
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