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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 15, 2010 12:09:33 GMT -5
Before we try to force everyone into choosing one idea for governing *cough*Asher*cough*, let's let everyone have their say in how they think the forum government should be set up. If you agree with an idea, *like* the post so we can get an idea of what ideas most people agree with.If you like an idea, but think it should be altered in any way, say what you think needs to be fixed about it. If you dislike an idea, go ahead and argue against it >  That's all I have to say. Let's get this ball rollin'! |
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Post by newschooled on Jul 15, 2010 12:12:10 GMT -5
Waitwut?...Isn't this thread already well underway?
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 15, 2010 12:14:04 GMT -5
No.. Asher's idea is being discussed.. This is for ALL ideas.. Bree said she was going to make a thread unless someone beat her to it, so I figured I'd do it now so we have a place to discuss..
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 15, 2010 12:16:21 GMT -5
no one is forcing anyone Chelsea...
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Post by fredrik on Jul 15, 2010 12:26:25 GMT -5
My idea:
I think that the best solution would simply be to - as many people has said before me in the other thread - have natural leaders. Then the tribe as a whole will choose the leaders and accept them, without needing a formal decision.
Also, other major decisions should be taken by having polls, where at least X people have to vote and at least Y percent has to have voted for the most popular option for the poll to be somewhat valid.
And the admins will just keep on doing what they've been doing.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 15, 2010 13:00:01 GMT -5
I think the forum should be led by a (loose) coalition of natural leaders and admins. When a natural leader has an idea that they want to implement in the tribe, s/he can talk to other leaders and they can come up with a definitive plan. Then they can talk to the admins and the admins can help the project flourish by mentioning it in pogotoks, making it an announcement, etc. And if someone that's new or isn't recognized as a natural leader has an idea, they can go to the natural leaders and work with them to adjust the plan and make it concrete.
I hope I didn't make that sound too formal. It really isn't at all...
Basically, the only difference between how things are now and what I'm suggesting is that the admins would show the leaders more support and help get other members (i.e. newer members who don't recognize the natural leaders as leaders) to listen to the natural leaders.
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Post by Cortney on Jul 15, 2010 13:00:21 GMT -5
HEY THERE. I HAVE AN IDEA.
- We'll have admins. *waves* They supervise the forum and the major decisions. The concept of majority rules still applies here, so if the majority of the forum wants something done, and it's possible, the admins will implement it. Also, we'll help to lead the forum toward a vision - one that is based off of what the community wants as a whole. Leaders are necessary, and the current admin team is here to unite the entire forum and move forward.
- We'll have moderators. These will be elected by the community. Pretty much, these gives the natural leaders a chance to shine. Yeah.
- We'll have non-moderator natural leaders. People earn the respect and admiration of the community, and therefore are in a position of power without having a pretty username.
- Any major decisions would be made via polls in the forum government / suggestions sections, most likely. Admins already keep up to date with these boards in order to know what you guys are thinking and what you want.
- There won't be little nitpicky rules about kicking admins or appointing leaders or waiting periods or any of that stuff. The government will feel natural, and a few rules can be applied if need to make it effective.
This post is jumbley and babbley but you get the point. I'LL PUT THE FLUFFIEST TOILET PAPER IN THE BATHROOMS! VOTE FOR ME!
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Post by Cortney on Jul 15, 2010 13:02:02 GMT -5
Jeez Chelsea, way to post while I'm typing my post. Yes, I like what you said. The admin team could definitely work on paying more attention to the natural leaders who arise and speak their thoughts. Yes. *thumbs up*
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 15, 2010 13:02:17 GMT -5
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 15, 2010 13:14:27 GMT -5
I like Cortney's idea.
I also still like my idea.
I think the 2 could work well together.
/me high-fives Cortney.
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 15, 2010 13:16:32 GMT -5
both have been added to the "state of the tribe" thread
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Post by mashuga31 on Jul 15, 2010 13:27:07 GMT -5
I think the forum should be led by a (loose) coalition of natural leaders and admins. When a natural leader has an idea that they want to implement in the tribe, s/he can talk to other leaders and they can come up with a definitive plan. Then they can talk to the admins and the admins can help the project flourish by mentioning it in pogotoks, making it an announcement, etc. And if someone that's new or isn't recognized as a natural leader has an idea, they can go to the natural leaders and work with them to adjust the plan and make it concrete. I hope I didn't make that sound too formal. It really isn't at all... Basically, the only difference between how things are now and what I'm suggesting is that the admins would show the leaders more support and help get other members (i.e. newer members who don't recognize the natural leaders as leaders) to listen to the natural leaders. That's actually exactly like my idea almost. I've got a system I think everyone can agree on. We change nothing. However, we make the few "Natural Leaders" discussed as moderators just so new members can see their status. Mind you not Admins, just moderators. I think we should also add a "SPOTM Debate" subforum in the debates section so people may discuss these sorts of things without the need for polls and votes. I mean you can mainly see the reaction here is bad, and that's what the majority is. You can tell just by reading a thread what should happen, why is there a need to vote. I also want to bring up that my triads and councils deal isn't a form of government. It's just a way of keeping track of things and actually get stuff done. If we want to start we're going to. |
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Post by mashuga31 on Jul 15, 2010 13:28:57 GMT -5
HEY THERE. I HAVE AN IDEA. - We'll have admins. *waves* They supervise the forum and the major decisions. The concept of majority rules still applies here, so if the majority of the forum wants something done, and it's possible, the admins will implement it. Also, we'll help to lead the forum toward a vision - one that is based off of what the community wants as a whole. Leaders are necessary, and the current admin team is here to unite the entire forum and move forward. - We'll have moderators. These will be elected by the community. Pretty much, these gives the natural leaders a chance to shine. Yeah. - We'll have non-moderator natural leaders. People earn the respect and admiration of the community, and therefore are in a position of power without having a pretty username. - Any major decisions would be made via polls in the forum government / suggestions sections, most likely. Admins already keep up to date with these boards in order to know what you guys are thinking and what you want. - There won't be little nitpicky rules about kicking admins or appointing leaders or waiting periods or any of that stuff. The government will feel natural, and a few rules can be applied if need to make it effective. This post is jumbley and babbley but you get the point. I'LL PUT THE FLUFFIEST TOILET PAPER IN THE BATHROOMS! VOTE FOR ME! That one two. Looks like we have a lot of agreeance in the basic idea of what we want. |
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Post by Breepop on Jul 15, 2010 16:11:18 GMT -5
I promised something to this thread, but Chelsea and Cortney have pretty much said it already. Basically what is happening now, but more of a conscious effort from admins and other "natural" leaders alike to ... well, lead better.  I really want the "government" to be fee free-flowing and natural. No need to muck it up with politics and bureaucracy. |
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Post by Joey on Jul 15, 2010 16:17:51 GMT -5
Hey, America was born through a war, no one said creating our forum government was going to be easy
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 15, 2010 16:19:54 GMT -5
ok. id like to add this to the other thread. how's this...
"System 4: we keep the current leadership system. the admins lead us, in addition to naturally emerging leader. we allow the tribe to work as a whole in it's own leadership. we will all have to change for the better, and work on ourselves as individuals and as a community."
feel free to rephrase
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Post by Breepop on Jul 15, 2010 16:24:48 GMT -5
ok. id like to add this to the other thread. how's this... "System 4: we keep the current leadership system. the admins lead us, in addition to naturally emerging leader s. we allow the tribe to work as a whole in it's own leadership. we will all have to change for the better, and work on ourselves as individuals and as a community." feel free to rephrase Perfecto, good sir. |
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 15, 2010 16:29:59 GMT -5
ok, added.
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Post by hey light on Jul 15, 2010 16:32:32 GMT -5
ok. id like to add this to the other thread. how's this... "System 4: we keep the current leadership system. the admins lead us, in addition to naturally emerging leader. we allow the tribe to work as a whole in it's own leadership. we will all have to change for the better, and work on ourselves as individuals and as a community." feel free to rephrase This is definitely one I agree with. Having a small group of people decide the future of the tribe is not a good idea, in my opinion. |
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Post by penguinpalsrkewl on Jul 15, 2010 20:01:18 GMT -5
Asher I feel like if you add ideas onto that thread then you're making it an official idea and well, it is but... I feel like we should keep ideas from this thread on this thread while those ideas should be discussed and kept in that thread.
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