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Post by RandiKthxxx on Aug 9, 2010 18:05:50 GMT -5
Well birds of a feather flock together. I'm pretty sure it's no coincidence that African Americans are the most imprisoned race. There is no "criminal gene", but it still seems like they tend to be the ones most in trouble. I suppose their dark skin is an influence. Also, this is totally unrelated, but when you guys say "they" I feel like I'm being talked about as if I'm not here. It's no biggie really, it just feels pretty strange. Continue.
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Post by Lex on Aug 9, 2010 18:07:17 GMT -5
Well birds of a feather flock together. I'm pretty sure it's no coincidence that African Americans are the most imprisoned race. There is no "criminal gene", but it still seems like they tend to be the ones most in trouble. I suppose their dark skin is an influence. It's a false correlation, meaning that correlation does not imply causation. I can do it too: The number of pirates on the planet has decreased, while climate change has increased -- therefore: more pirates = less climate change. The "birds of a feather flock together" comment is the association fallacy. I can do it too: The KKK, a racist and violent organization are Protestant Christians -- therefore: all Protestant Christians = violent racists.
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Post by _nderscore on Aug 9, 2010 18:11:13 GMT -5
Alex, you post does not deny that the highest percentage of the imprisoned and drug users are African Americans. I honestly don't see what you were trying to prove. I'm sorry I come off unintelligent Also Randi, if you wish to participate in the discussion you are more than welcome.
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Post by Lex on Aug 9, 2010 18:34:47 GMT -5
Alex, you post does not deny that the highest percentage of the imprisoned and drug users are African Americans. I honestly don't see what you were trying to prove. I'm sorry I come off unintelligent Also Randi, if you wish to participate in the discussion you are more than welcome. Uhhh... I never denied it. Re-read, please. I simply said that just because there might be a correlation doesn't mean that its the cause of the problem. And so I will repost what I said with simpler English for you to understand it better: --- Well birds of a feather flock together. I'm pretty sure it's no coincidence that African Americans are the most imprisoned race. There is no "criminal gene", but it still seems like they tend to be the ones most in trouble. I suppose their dark skin is an influence. That's a false correlation, meaning that just because there is a correlation between those two things doesn't mean that one of those things is caused by the other. Here is another example of false correlation to show you the error in your logic: The number of pirates on the planet has decreased, while climate change has increased -- therefore: more pirates = less climate change. The "birds of a feather flock together" comment is the association fallacy, meaning that just because concept A is associated with concept B, doesn't mean that everything associated with concept A is associated with concept B. Here is an example of this to show you the flaw in your logic: The KKK, a racist and violent organization are Protestant Christians -- therefore: all Protestant Christians = violent racists.
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Post by Ricky on Aug 9, 2010 21:35:00 GMT -5
Alex, you post does not deny that the highest percentage of the imprisoned and drug users are African Americans. I honestly don't see what you were trying to prove. I'm sorry I come off unintelligent Also Randi, if you wish to participate in the discussion you are more than welcome. I think I've told you this before, but i'll repeat. The higher incarceration rate can be accounted by stereotyping, discrimination, and racism. If people don't get the education, have the same opportunity to succeed, and are looked upon as if they were a lower class, then they have to turn to shady business to survive. Also, white-collar crime is much worse and is the cause of the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars in the US and other countries. Almost none of the people that participate in it go to jail, and this type of crime is done by all races.
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Post by _nderscore on Aug 9, 2010 23:44:44 GMT -5
Alex, you post does not deny that the highest percentage of the imprisoned and drug users are African Americans. I honestly don't see what you were trying to prove. I'm sorry I come off unintelligent Also Randi, if you wish to participate in the discussion you are more than welcome. Uhhh... I never denied it. Re-read, please. I simply said that just because there might be a correlation doesn't mean that its the cause of the problem. And so I will repost what I said with simpler English for you to understand it better: --- Well birds of a feather flock together. I'm pretty sure it's no coincidence that African Americans are the most imprisoned race. There is no "criminal gene", but it still seems like they tend to be the ones most in trouble. I suppose their dark skin is an influence. That's a false correlation, meaning that just because there is a correlation between those two things doesn't mean that one of those things is caused by the other. Here is another example of false correlation to show you the error in your logic: The number of pirates on the planet has decreased, while climate change has increased -- therefore: more pirates = less climate change. The "birds of a feather flock together" comment is the association fallacy, meaning that just because concept A is associated with concept B, doesn't mean that everything associated with concept A is associated with concept B. Here is an example of this to show you the flaw in your logic: The KKK, a racist and violent organization are Protestant Christians -- therefore: all Protestant Christians = violent racists. Yes, but just because you an disprove my idea with a simple example like that doesn't completely shoot down my idea. I could tell you that there is an invisible lizard on your face right now, but you can't feel it. Can you prove me wrong? Whether you like it or not, black "people" don't get the same educational benefit as us white folks do. They will never get the same treatment, I understand. So why would they stay here? Unless they have some other reason to be here, if I kept poking you with a sharp stick over and over wouldn't you get agitated and leave? There has to be some background reason for staying here. I still have not figured that part out. Understand?
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Post by Ricky on Aug 9, 2010 23:53:50 GMT -5
Whether you like it or not, black "people" don't get the same educational benefit as us white folks do. They will never get the same treatment, I understand. So why would they stay here? Unless they have some other reason to be here, if I kept poking you with a sharp stick over and over wouldn't you get agitated and leave? There has to be some background reason for staying here. I still have not figured that part out. Understand? If black people don't get the same education then wouldn't it be easier to better the education than to send millions of people away. Also about the stick story, the same could be said about any group or race. For example someone might respond by saying "if white people are so angry about the crimes then why don't they leave" That being said, it would be a stupid argument, just like yours was.
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Post by Lex on Aug 10, 2010 0:33:50 GMT -5
Whether you like it or not, black "people" don't get the same educational benefit as us white folks do. They will never get the same treatment, I understand. So why would they stay here? Unless they have some other reason to be here, if I kept poking you with a sharp stick over and over wouldn't you get agitated and leave? There has to be some background reason for staying here. I still have not figured that part out. Understand? Because America is their home. Because America promises liberty and justice for all -- not just white people. They have the right to live where they want to live. Understand that your racist stance is part of a slowly diminishing minority. You have presented no logical arguments against black people other than the crime statistics, which I have pointed out as being a false correlation -- thus making it a moot point. The only basis for your argument is simply the "I don't like them" stance, which you have every right to hold; just don't expect the approval of the majority of people who want society to move forward. Anyway, if, by some chance, your position is upheld by the majority of Americans, all black Americans are welcome here in Canada because we don't discriminate here. We were all over that civil rights issue before America could get its rear in gear.
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Post by krzych32 on Aug 10, 2010 1:07:54 GMT -5
Whether you like it or not, black "people" don't get the same educational benefit as us white folks do. They will never get the same treatment, I understand. So why would they stay here? Unless they have some other reason to be here, if I kept poking you with a sharp stick over and over wouldn't you get agitated and leave? There has to be some background reason for staying here. I still have not figured that part out. Understand? Because America is their home. Because America promises liberty and justice for all -- not just white people. They have the right to live where they want to live. Understand that your racist stance is part of a slowly diminishing minority. You have presented no logical arguments against black people other than the crime statistics, which I have pointed out as being a false correlation -- thus making it a moot point. The only basis for your argument is simply the "I don't like them" stance, which you have every right to hold; just don't expect the approval of the majority of people who want society to move forward. Anyway, if, by some chance, your position is upheld by the majority of Americans, all black Americans are welcome here in Canada because we don't discriminate here. We were all over that civil rights issue before America could get its rear in gear. But they will tax the SHIRT out of them!
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Post by _nderscore on Aug 10, 2010 9:17:56 GMT -5
Whether you like it or not, black "people" don't get the same educational benefit as us white folks do. They will never get the same treatment, I understand. So why would they stay here? Unless they have some other reason to be here, if I kept poking you with a sharp stick over and over wouldn't you get agitated and leave? There has to be some background reason for staying here. I still have not figured that part out. Understand? Because America is their home. Because America promises liberty and justice for all -- not just white people. They have the right to live where they want to live. Understand that your racist stance is part of a slowly diminishing minority. You have presented no logical arguments against black people other than the crime statistics, which I have pointed out as being a false correlation -- thus making it a moot point. The only basis for your argument is simply the "I don't like them" stance, which you have every right to hold; just don't expect the approval of the majority of people who want society to move forward. Anyway, if, by some chance, your position is upheld by the majority of Americans, all black Americans are welcome here in Canada because we don't discriminate here. We were all over that civil rights issue before America could get its rear in gear. If you could eliminate a sector of crime from your community, wouldn't you? If you could make your streets safer for your children, wouldn't you?
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Post by Flags_Forever on Aug 10, 2010 10:10:47 GMT -5
Whether you like it or not, black "people" don't get the same educational benefit as us white folks do. They will never get the same treatment, I understand. So why would they stay here? Unless they have some other reason to be here, if I kept poking you with a sharp stick over and over wouldn't you get agitated and leave? There has to be some background reason for staying here. I still have not figured that part out. Understand? Because America is their home. Because America promises liberty and justice for all -- not just white people. They have the right to live where they want to live. Understand that your racist stance is part of a slowly diminishing minority. You have presented no logical arguments against black people other than the crime statistics, which I have pointed out as being a false correlation -- thus making it a moot point. The only basis for your argument is simply the "I don't like them" stance, which you have every right to hold; just don't expect the approval of the majority of people who want society to move forward. Anyway, if, by some chance, your position is upheld by the majority of Americans, all black Americans are welcome here in Canada because we don't discriminate here. We were all over that civil rights issue before America could get its rear in gear. If that happened, could I come too? I love Canada.
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Post by 4iner on Aug 10, 2010 11:21:21 GMT -5
If you could eliminate a sector of crime from your community, wouldn't you? If you could make your streets safer for your children, wouldn't you? That's what prisons are for. Anyway, if you wipe out all the blacks in America, you've just murdered 36 million people. I think that would be a larger crime than all the crimes they have done and will ever do, put together.
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Post by SwimFellow on Aug 10, 2010 14:01:15 GMT -5
1. I'd think you were a bit crazy.
2. That doesn't correlate to racism.
3. I can prove you wrong; how do you know the invisible lizard is on my face if it's invisible? You say it as if a sane person would believe you.
4. Listen, a man/woman is entitled to beliefs, but not to take someone's rights. If your belief is that all/most African-Americans are should be put in jail, you're a thief of rights. Skin color has nothing to do with their personality, while personality has to do with beliefs (or vice-versa), which is why we go to jail. All humans are influenced by others, and themselves. Whether they choose to obey the law or not has to do with their personality, not their skin color.
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Post by _nderscore on Aug 10, 2010 14:04:16 GMT -5
So why is this personality that causes trouble so prevalent in African Americans?
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Post by SwimFellow on Aug 10, 2010 14:10:29 GMT -5
So why is this personality that causes trouble so prevalent in African Americans? It's not just in African Americans, it's in all of us, and I'm surprised you didn't get that. You also have to understand there are less African Americans in the US than white people. [EDIT] This is also true for the entire world, that less black people are in the world than whites. +There isn't much difference between us.
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Post by _nderscore on Aug 10, 2010 14:16:42 GMT -5
I'm not going to help them until they try to help themselves.
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Post by Joey on Aug 10, 2010 14:47:40 GMT -5
I'm not going to help them until they try to help themselves. They cant. Alot of black people live in slums, attend poor schools(A school very close to the white house is one of the worst in the country, and we fight over nothing just to fight instead of working together to solve problems..but thats a different thread), they sometimes cant afford school at all, therefor cant read or write, therefor cant get a job, therefor cant get income, therefor they need a way to feed their family, therefor they sell drugs, therefor they get arrested. But why cant they afford school? No transportation, too sick to leave, etc. Why are they like that? Becasue those of us who have luxury can spend 100 dollars for a pair of shoes we dont need instead of giving it to help our fellow americans. Liberty and justice for all? Not yet, because people like you refuse to help people because of the way their skin looks.
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Post by Lex on Aug 10, 2010 15:10:25 GMT -5
Because America is their home. Because America promises liberty and justice for all -- not just white people. They have the right to live where they want to live. Understand that your racist stance is part of a slowly diminishing minority. You have presented no logical arguments against black people other than the crime statistics, which I have pointed out as being a false correlation -- thus making it a moot point. The only basis for your argument is simply the "I don't like them" stance, which you have every right to hold; just don't expect the approval of the majority of people who want society to move forward. Anyway, if, by some chance, your position is upheld by the majority of Americans, all black Americans are welcome here in Canada because we don't discriminate here. We were all over that civil rights issue before America could get its rear in gear. If you could eliminate a sector of crime from your community, wouldn't you? If you could make your streets safer for your children, wouldn't you? -- Because, of course, black people are the only cause of crime. See? We're back here again. You run your arguments in circles, and you've done so since you arrived. You go from saying black people are the cause of crime. We disprove that by saying that all races cause crime. Then you say that you acknowledge that fact, but you change your argument around to say that black people cause the most crime. We tell you that while that may be true in your area of living, it isn't true for the rest of the world, and that you should examine the situations that breed criminals. Then you resort to saying that black people cause a high amount of crime in the United States, therefore it must be because of their skin colour. We debunk this, as it is a logical fallacy of false correlation. Then, you tell us that because some black people cause massive amounts of crime, that all black people are inherently bad. We debunk this, as it is a logical fallacy of association. You then switch things around and tell us that we'd be better off without black people because they are the cause of crime -- and thus, we're back at the beginning. But say, hypothetically, that all these black criminals were suddenly white. Would anything change? No. Why? Because it has nothing to do with their skin colour or genes, and has everything to do with the conditions under which they have been raised. You are making a vast generalization.
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Post by _nderscore on Aug 10, 2010 15:13:41 GMT -5
No but they happen to be black and they happen to cause trouble and they happen to be imprisoned and they happen to do drugs. I'm sure it's one big coincidence.
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Post by Lex on Aug 10, 2010 15:14:50 GMT -5
No but they happen to be black and they happen to cause trouble and they happen to be imprisoned and they happen to do drugs. I'm sure it's one big coincidence. Yes, it IS ONE BIG COINCIDENCE. WHY CAN YOU NOT GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!? Every correlation that you've made has been a false one. I've demonstrated that THREE TIMES, yet you continue to ignore it.
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