One Detail That Bothers Me

[Danielle]

I keep on seeing one thing pop up over and over again in all of your suggestions. Such as:

Make t-shirts and give all proceeds to charity.
Write a book and give all proceeds to charity.
etc
etc
etc

Do you know how long it takes to write a book? Even a small, children's book? There's a lot of effort that goes into story boarding, illustrations, and editing.

JK Rowling wrote a book in which she gave the proceeds to charity AFTER she wrote her 7 best sellers.

Dan isn't a multimillionaire, guys. He has money, yes. He makes money, yes. But expecting him to do something like write a book or go on tour or design t shirts or run a marathon and sending every penny that us earned to charity is absolutely ridiculous.

He's a 20 year old guy, he has bills to pay, a car to pay off, he's considering moving across the country.

He donates A LOT to charity. He donated every penny he won off of Who Wants to be a Millionaire to charity.

The next time someone here donates 5000 in a day, you can tell him he needs to donate everything he earns to a charity in which 60% of what he donates will be lost in the bureaucracy that is modern charity conglomerates.

I'm not saying he can't do ANYTHING for a good cause, but be realistic.

[jmejia1187]

Now I feel bad for suggesting my munny idea…

I think people put charity in their ideas because more people might vote for it, if Dan does it for charity.

I am guilty of this with my munny idea, and I am sorry.

I should have known better, because I have no money.

[Ricky]

Danielle don't get angry. All they are trying to do is help others, and in a way help Dan's image.

Yes, it is understandable that he can't write a book and give it all to charity because of the reasons you posted, but there are other things he can do.


For example in his 24 hours show, he could ask for donations during, and all of that could go to charity.

It would be more for cases in which "he is going to do it anyways, so might as well add a good cause to it"


Some of the things we ask of him are hard to do, but then again he got us in this position so we would push him to do something he wouldn't normally do.



In conclusion, I hear what you are saying, but i think we have to wait a bit longer and see how it all unfolds.

[jmejia1187]

Well, I also think that Danielle speaks to Dan a lot more than we do. The defensiveness in her first post indicates she probably spoke to Dan who is worrying about the price of moving, or something along those lines, and she is seeing the task suggestions, and is getting frustrated, for the lack of Dan's financial wellbeing within the tasks.

The thing is, many of us do not see what she sees. And so it is hard to recommend tasks that work best. As a matter of fact, Dan said to recommend tasks without worrying about money, because he could always find sponsors. So it seemed like Dan's money situation was already handled.

I think there is a disconnect / misunderstanding.

[theeverbored]

What's wrong with doing something for charity while not being the richest guy around? I'm not rich and I still manage to do stuff...
Look at the example of designing tshirts, that's not nearly as difficult to do as writing a book. It also doesn't take up that much time either.
Right now Dan's spent his day doing some interesting small tasks which have nothing to do with his financial situation, what would be any different from doing stuff for charity?
Are you suggesting that the projects Dan begins should produce some revenue for himself? I think most people assumed part of his plans would be humanitarian centered so why was it surprising that many of the ideas sent in were charity ideas?

[Danielle]

I never said I didn't want him to do stuff for a good cause. That's stupid.

Aug 19, 2010 16:41:42 GMT -5 @jmejia1187 said:

...I think people put charity in their ideas because more people might vote for it...

[Danielle]

Aug 19, 2010 16:56:00 GMT -5 theeverbored said:

What's wrong with doing something for charity while not being the richest guy around? I'm not rich and I still manage to do stuff...
Look at the example of designing tshirts, that's not nearly as difficult to do as writing a book. It also doesn't take up that much time either.
Right now Dan's spent his day doing some interesting small tasks which have nothing to do with his financial situation, what would be any different from doing stuff for charity?
Are you suggesting that the projects Dan begins should produce some revenue for himself? I think most people assumed part of his plans would be humanitarian centered so why was it surprising that many of the ideas sent in were charity ideas?

You entirely missed what I said.

I'm not going to address it after this. I put the thought out there. People can keep it in mind, or they won't.

I didn't post this to have a discussion, I posted this to share an observation.

I'm not going to change your mind and I will not put in the effort to do so.If you think I'm so wrong, so be it.

[mindovermatter]

I agree with Danielle. It's true that with dans large following he's got a great opportunity to spread a good message to a lot of people, and donating money/hair/time to charity is also a great thing...especially in todays messed up world
but that's not the main purpose behind Dan 3.0.
Lets get some more cool stuff going. Less talking into the camera and more doing into the camera. I actually like the small, less expensive tasks better

[Ricky]

Aug 19, 2010 18:42:10 GMT -5 Danielle said:

I never said I didn't want him to do stuff for a good cause. That's stupid.

You are right that would be stupid, but no one suggested that you didn't.

[syreeninsapphire]

I think something that would be far more practical for the pogotribe would be if he did things for a Dan 3.0 fund. Sponsors probably won't want to pay for every little thing we have Dan do, and there's always a chance that some of his sponsors could drop out. To have some funds of our own to work with means we could do a lot more with/for Dan. Plus, being a little self-sufficient is always a good thing, and I think it's something our tribe could really work towards pretty easily.

[thelighterdark]

It's about changing the world, Danielle.

While I do agree that Dan 3.0 should be beneficial to Dan as well, I think generous donations can help "decrease world suck."

[NormanTheOne]

Danielle, take it easy. First of all, what he earns is the sponsor deals and not the profit of doing the tasks. Secondly, if he is bothered by the charities he will address it in his videos, and he has the power to manipulate the tasks how he wants. Thirdly, it seems like that's his opinion voiced strongly by you (just an assumption.)

[Obelisk]

Danielle, I understand your viewpoint, but it makes you seem very selfish. I'm all for Dan making some profit, but you shouldn't be telling people to stop putting "for charity" in their tasks.

It's going to keep happening as long as Dan doesn't tell us not to. Even if he did tell us to stop, people would keep putting it in their suggestions.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I do want you to realize the implications of what you said here, and the reality of the situation.

Final note: Dan 3.0 is about us deciding what he does for a year. Not for you to manipulate things as you please. No offense, I just thought it had to be brought up.

[Lyserg Zeroz]

^She didn't say that people should stop putting "for charity", just for them to be realistic (also, re-read paragraphs 5, 6, 7 and 9 of her post).

But yeah, the final note is also a good point (even thou "manipulate things as you please" is kind of an exaggeration)

[Obelisk]

I'm aware of what she said, and that I exaggerated things a bit, but I really just felt the need to make my feelings known. Probably the feelings of others as well.

The reason I chose to say "manipulate" is that whether it's her intention or not, it's happening. After Dan, she has the biggest influence on us. Any suggestion she gives will cause many people to immediately agree and try to make it happen.

Dan realized that his thoughts had quite a bit of pull, which is why he's avoiding telling us what kind of tasks he wants to do.

[Niek]

Instead of getting Dan to donate a whole load of money, it would propably be a better idea to get (or try to get) everyone to donate a small amount of money to a specific charity. I think in this way, we would collect even more than if Dan did it by himself...

[SwimFellow]

I have an idea!! Let's all just donate to charity without being prompted to! INGENIOUS!

[Niek]

Aug 29, 2010 17:31:13 GMT -5 SwimFellow said:

I have an idea!! Let's all just donate to charity without being prompted to! INGENIOUS!

Or that xD

[austkyzor]

I'm all for Dan dontating to charity as he performs tasks as long as it's realistic.

Say he designs a t-shirt - how about 10% of the proceeds go to chairity? If the shirts sell for $10 a pop that's a $1 to whatever chairity is decided.

And if one is concerned about donated funds lost to bureaucracy, donate to a Canadian chairity - where every cent is monitor'd to make sure it goes to their goals, rather then their pockets.

Incidentally - what is the stance on him becoming a regular blood doner? Or becoming a registered potential organ doner/bone marrow doner?

[Niek]

Aug 30, 2010 11:04:36 GMT -5 @austkyzor said:

Or becoming a registered potential organ doner/bone marrow doner?

That would (hopefully) be a change to his life that continues after D3PO, so he could veto that