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Post by whetherskipper on Oct 9, 2010 17:14:09 GMT -5
I'm still a little confused about how Dan's choosing which tasks to complete. Shouldn't there be a mandatory vote amount or percentage barrier or something, with Dan exercising veto power only when relevant? For instance, "Recycle" was accepted even though it only has 17 out of 21 votes, which is a 81% approval rate from a very small pool. Meanwhile, "Regroup and Roll Out Dan 3.1" has 69 out of 76 votes, which is a 91% approval rate out of a much larger pool, and it has not been accepted. Dan also accepted "Ghost Hunt," which only had 506 of 884 votes and a 57% approval rate - obviously not much interest. I'm not advocating for or against any of these tasks, but Dan's inconsistency leads me to believe that this supposedly life-altering and mind-blowing project is only Dan's way of getting suggestions for his videos but ultimately doing what he wants to do. I propose we find a way to enforce a non-biased method of choosing tasks to avoid these inconsistencies in the future, because this just isn't working out.
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Post by Lyserg Zeroz on Oct 9, 2010 19:04:26 GMT -5
You know, I was wondering the same. Most of the accepted tasks have many, many votes, but there are a few accepted tasks that have like 40 or less votes and that don't even have comments.
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Post by Singing Cheese on Oct 9, 2010 20:42:56 GMT -5
I agree. It seems to me like Dan is calling the shots more than his viewers are. Also, I know this goes against something that people voted highly on earlier, but I'm not sure that the popularity of tasks should be measured entirely by the percentage of votes they've gotten. I don't think that a task with, say, 19 out of 20 votes should be picked over a task that has 430 out of 500 votes. After all, the will of 430 people should outweigh that of 19 people.
Then again, it would be a different story if there was a task with 100 out of 200 votes. I'm not sure how this sort of thing should be measured...I'd want it to incorporate the percentage rating and the number of people who voted, but is that too complicated?
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Post by Breepop on Oct 9, 2010 21:16:22 GMT -5
Why is Dan choosing the tasks?  Shouldn't someone else being doing that? Or it be automatic when a task gets a certain number of votes/a certain percentage of thumbs up? *shrugs* I never pay attention to the decision engine, but if what you guys say is true... that's rather disappointing. Perhaps a Technical Change should be submitted? lol, but then, I guess Dan doesn't have to accept it either way. |
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Post by newschooled on Oct 10, 2010 0:50:55 GMT -5
I think the biggest noticeable discrepancy between what we were expecting and reality has already been stated. It's all been small tasks to this point...So far no decisions have been made that actually determine how Dan lives his life on the larger scheme of things...But again Dan has mentioned this and is well aware of it...Although I'm on the same page, Dan3.0 definitely needs to embrace some more long term critical tasks and decisions.
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Post by Jackson on Oct 10, 2010 21:18:46 GMT -5
I've noticed this too, this is a bit troubling, as the premise of Dan 3.0 was for us to choose what he does.
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Post by amon91 on Oct 11, 2010 5:34:34 GMT -5
Dan holds veto power, of course. Still, the fact we'll get to decide in which city he'll live really got me hyped up.
You've got a point though, this isn't truly democratic.
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Post by landostarchaser on Oct 11, 2010 9:16:34 GMT -5
amon, you have to understand, we don't REALLY pick where he lives, he gets to pick that, all we get to do is submit them. If London, UK, got the highest +/- ratio, I highly doubt he would move there. He's still calling the shots...
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Post by Raydawn on Oct 11, 2010 14:42:22 GMT -5
if what the OP says is true, dan 3.0 is even more of a disappointment
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Post by Rogers91 on Oct 11, 2010 16:22:29 GMT -5
well there is a small way to fix the issue that might be kind of interesting. we let the camera guy Michael pick the tasks. if he picks them then instead of dan doing what he wants it would be michael which might make the process a bit better. maybe...
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Post by landostarchaser on Oct 12, 2010 5:48:26 GMT -5
well there is a small way to fix the issue that might be kind of interesting. we let the camera guy Michael pick the tasks. if he picks them then instead of dan doing what he wants it would be michael which might make the process a bit better. maybe... Hmm, it would be a little better. I submit, that we submit a task that say that Dan should get someone else to choose his task. |
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Post by amon91 on Oct 12, 2010 12:52:49 GMT -5
amon, you have to understand, we don't REALLY pick where he lives, he gets to pick that, all we get to do is submit them. If London, UK, got the highest +/- ratio, I highly doubt he would move there. He's still calling the shots... You can't really expect him to do stuff against his own will, especially big stuff like moving to a whole new city. |
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Post by Danielle on Oct 12, 2010 13:12:43 GMT -5
This is something that has been in the works for a bit, but I believe a new system is being put into place VERY VERY soon.  I think you will all like it a lot more. |
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Post by FranticProdigy on Oct 21, 2010 22:38:34 GMT -5
This is something that has been in the works for a bit, but I believe a new system is being put into place VERY VERY soon. I think you will all like it a lot more. Awesome! Looking forward to it. |
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Post by plainwhitepaper on Nov 7, 2010 19:06:22 GMT -5
This is something that has been in the works for a bit, but I believe a new system is being put into place VERY VERY soon. I think you will all like it a lot more. |
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Post by Freddy on Nov 7, 2010 21:46:19 GMT -5
lol VERY VERY soon.
Yeah right...
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Post by IAMNTHOMAS on Nov 10, 2010 2:55:48 GMT -5
There are a few things to think about when considering how Dan is choosing his tasks. - If Dan used an algorithm to choose a task for him based on certain things like % of people who voted yes combined with the # of times task was voted on it could create numerous issues. First, how does he determine what the % should be or what the limit is for how many times a task has been voted on? Second, there are so many task in the decision engine that are very similar in nature - is there a way to combine these?
- Once/If he uses an algorithm to choose his tasks Dan could be come overwhelmed with the amount of tasks that have been accepted...which would probably lead into another week or two where Dan freaks out and disappears.
- If he used a human to choose his tasks for him, there would still be much debate on if the users are really controlling his life - it would more be that second person who is selecting the voted tasks controlling his life.
- What is another solution? I'm not too sure. Maybe they could have a complex algorithm that could really sift through and find the perfect tasks for Dan to complete. Maybe each month Dan could select a number of task, like 200 for example, and have the users re-vote on those 200 tasks and the top 20 or 30 voted for out of the top 200 make it. Once he has competed those tasks have a re-voting process for another top 200 group. Who knows
There are more things to consider... these are just a few points that I'm sure Dan has thought of and is struggling with at the moment. (I hope I didn't point out too many obvious things) I'm sure he has a lot of people at Revision3 trying to think of a way to make this work. This is really the first time someone has done something like this and although he is already a few months into the project, you must be patient with it. Who knows - maybe Dan 3.0 could last longer than a year if they get the kinks figured out. I find it hilarious that all these Youtube users are threatening to unsubscribe to his channel - you can't expect that Dan had everything figured out before starting this. The Michael Aranda (sp?) situation has just sent people over the edge but I think people are really overrating to that. I trust that Dan will fix that situation. He's human. We all make mistakes. |
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Post by Rogers91 on Nov 10, 2010 3:13:57 GMT -5
okay revolutionary idea here....
how about dan write a bunch of random tasks down on peices of torn up paper and pick out of a hat.. it would probably be better than whats going on now..
then again that might lead to boring content and when dan sold his soul to the company revision 3 he lost his ability to do this project effectivly and yet if he didnt do so he would have had no way of doing the project financialy so i guess this si one of those odd situations where we can only wait complain and sit back to see if it gets better...
ohh well dan is only human and heck maybe his girl friend will be his new task picker... even though that is still not a proper sytem in the end...
or we could just ignore the flaws and allow it to go on as is...
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Post by Freddy on Nov 10, 2010 13:34:10 GMT -5
lol he sold his soul to Rev 3 xD
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Shouldn't someone else being doing that?
