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Post by Ryan on Jan 19, 2011 21:29:50 GMT -5
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Post by Insane_Zang on Jan 19, 2011 23:46:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm also not Jewish >.>
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Post by Insane_Zang on Jan 20, 2011 0:39:36 GMT -5
I should also mention that homosexuality is mentioned in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
Just a little fact for you
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Post by Flappy on Jan 20, 2011 6:00:43 GMT -5
I should also mention that homosexuality is mentioned in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. Just a little fact for you Interesting. In other versions this verse doesn't address homosexuality at all. Are the translators so ignorant that they actually reworded it to specifically address sodomy? How sad. |
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Post by Ryan on Jan 20, 2011 7:50:48 GMT -5
I believe that all of those types of people were addressed in Leviticus as well, as the poster acknowledged their sins. The homosexual part is not in the King James Bible, which is the most common version of the bible. If you ever have sex out of wedlock you are as sinful as a you consider a homosexual. That is also the same as any form of thievery including downloading music illegally and even plagiarism. Also you can never covet which means to get jealous. You can never curse or swear either. And you may not be jewish, but the entire old testament is in the bible too.
Also, if you are truly Christian then you are by definition a follower of Christ (not Paul who wrote Corinthians). Christ only gave two commandments if I recall and he never condemned anyone, but rather postponed their judgement until the end of time. Oh yeah he also died for all sin.
Also in the bible are presented the Beatitudes listed as followed:
The poor in spirit; theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mourners; they will be comforted.
Those that hunger and thirst after righteousness; they will be filled.
Those persecuted for seeking righteousness. The text says that theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
I believe homosexuals are persecuted for seeking the love of another. Christ always spoke of love in a righteous manner.
The bible may condemn homosexuality in 6 places. However it condemns all those who treat homosexuality as a sin AND JUDGE THEM FOR IT with a far worse punishment.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Jan 20, 2011 10:00:50 GMT -5
orly? Cause I just looked it up for reference in a New King James Version of the Bible.
Yep
Cain murdered Able. Should I murder my brother just because it's in the Bible?
Where? Also I'm not judging them, I'm telling you what it says about them.
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Post by bombmaniac on Jan 20, 2011 11:22:20 GMT -5
youre making quite a remix of teh old and new testament. i find it funny how the christians like to pick and choose. see the old testamnt specifically addresses israel and give them all these commandments. howeve that was only because they were the chosen nation. according to the christians, basically, the jews blew it and god chose teh followers of jesus as his new "chosen nation". thats all well and good...everyone is entitled to believe what they want to...but the christians got a wee bit confused after a few centuries. originally the followers of jesus were mostly jews who still followed the old testament to the letter. slowly others began filtering in. eventually in 325 christianity was finally unified at the council of nicea. sort of. lots of small little factions remained spread all over each doing their own thing...but organized christianity was born. now as you sat jesus wasnt a particularly demanding fellow so he didnt have such a long list of rules. that was probably because he was relying on the old testament for laws while he was teaching basic principles of love or whatever SHIRT you jesus people believe he taught. (sorry zang i had to  ) that didnt last. eventually chrsitianity started picking and choosing what it wanted from the old testament. honourign the sabbath being a prime example seeing as the old testament has the sabbath as the seventh dat whereas christians have it on the first day. (that probably has something to do with non jews being liable for death if they kept the sabbath to teh letter.) christians have enjoyed many a porcine dish over the years as well. christians dont have ritual slaughter. christians keep none of the holidays set forth in the old testament. all in all the christian interpretation of teh old testament is about as random as throwing a dart at a map. it DOES so happen to be that homosexuality goes against the 7 noahide commandments, however if you grant those then you probably arent christian. youd probably identify as noahide. christians keep those incidentally, but they dont identify as keeping those. they oidentify with ethe laws of the old and new testament. so before you go remixing the old and new testaments...and drawing on the king james bible for accuracy  please know what youre doing. btw...for this very same reason...that facebook post wasnt amazing...unless you mean amnazingly ignorant.) |
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Post by Ryan on Jan 20, 2011 12:06:45 GMT -5
The person who made the post was decidedly not christian, nor jewish, nor did they follow the noahide commandments. Same here. The point they were getting at is that many of the christians who argue against homosexuality are misinterpreting words on a page, and picking and choosing which rules to follow and which to ignore. So I would say that the post is amazing in that it calls out the people who are ignorant of what it is they are saying (mixing old testament rules that they like with new testament rules that they like and calling it religion according to the holy book of the bible).
Btw, having read many parts of the old testament in study, I would not dare present that form of argument to orthadox jews who do keep to the rules of the old testament. The rules are the rules, and if you follow them you can be judgemental of people who don't. But as most of the punishments for those rules are the same, when you break a rule you do kind of lose the right to judge others. I think this is one of the reasons that despite being a sin punishable by death - I rarely see many jewish protests against homosexuality, namely because so many other sins are equally as bad, and far more prevalent.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Jan 20, 2011 12:32:01 GMT -5
I'm still confused. Who's picking and choosing?
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Post by Insane_Zang on Jan 20, 2011 12:39:55 GMT -5
Wait, didn't see that Asher posted. One sec
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Post by bombmaniac on Jan 20, 2011 13:10:09 GMT -5
i meant the original poster on teh facebook thing not the response.
and orthodox jews dont protest homosexuality because its pointless too...
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Post by Ryan on Jan 20, 2011 14:11:36 GMT -5
Ahh, I see. Yeah...that's all
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Post by Lex on Jan 20, 2011 18:31:20 GMT -5
I should also mention that homosexuality is mentioned in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. Just a little fact for you Interesting. In other versions this verse doesn't address homosexuality at all. Are the translators so ignorant that they actually reworded it to specifically address sodomy? How sad. For example, my mother owns a version of the New Testament and I own one as well. They both are published by the same company, but I noticed that in her version, the word "homosexuals" is mysteriously absent in 1 Cor 6:9. |
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Post by ElfLady on Jan 20, 2011 20:20:55 GMT -5
That's why, if I wanted to be a Christian, I would feel compelled to learn Hebrew and Greek and Latin and then just read the original text. However, I am extremely lazy, so this will never happen. That's the thing: all Bible verses that are quoted are just some translator's *opinion* of what the Bible is saying. They could change the wording slightly, or not so slightly, or add in extra words, or take out extra words, and you would never know. That's why, even if I believed the Bible was infallible, I still wouldn't trust the versions of the Bible that would be available to me.
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Post by Lex on Jan 20, 2011 20:28:18 GMT -5
It should also be added that Corinthians was written by St. Paul -- who didn't even know Jesus. All of that is his opinion, anyways. So, there's no commandment about anything like that in the New Testament.
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Post by ElfLady on Jan 20, 2011 20:32:59 GMT -5
It should also be added that Corinthians was written by St. Paul -- who didn't even know Jesus. All of that is his opinion, anyways. So, there's no commandment about anything like that in the New Testament. Who even was he? Wasn't he, like, in prison... for being Christian?  |
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Post by bombmaniac on Jan 21, 2011 12:45:01 GMT -5
google is your friend fiona  |
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please know what youre doing. 
