Quinn
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[AWD:191c07]
The eye of compromise.
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Libya
Mar 12, 2011 23:48:04 GMT -5
Post by Quinn on Mar 12, 2011 23:48:04 GMT -5
(There is probably some thread about this somewhere else.)
For those of you who have been living under a boulder for the past 20 years some Libyan citizens have started an uprising against dictator Muammar Gaddafi. This eventually led to what TIME Magazine describes as "The Was Between Libyas."
What do you think of this? ~ Should the United States get involved? Who do you think will end up taking (or keeping control) of Libya? Will any other countries get involved? ~
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Libya
Mar 14, 2011 16:22:30 GMT -5
Post by Insane_Zang on Mar 14, 2011 16:22:30 GMT -5
It's not shiny anymore
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Libya
Mar 14, 2011 21:01:42 GMT -5
Post by Ryan on Mar 14, 2011 21:01:42 GMT -5
My personal stance is that the United States should deal with it's own problems before it barges into other countries (namely that we're in a lot of debt right now, and we should fix that).
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Libya
Mar 14, 2011 21:06:56 GMT -5
Post by SwimFellow on Mar 14, 2011 21:06:56 GMT -5
^^
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Libya
Mar 14, 2011 22:56:16 GMT -5
Post by Insane_Zang on Mar 14, 2011 22:56:16 GMT -5
My personal stance is that the United States should deal with it's own problems before it barges into other countries (namely that we're in a lot of debt right now, and we should fix that). HOLY FUCK SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME
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Libya
Mar 14, 2011 23:39:22 GMT -5
Post by SwimFellow on Mar 14, 2011 23:39:22 GMT -5
... Once in a lifetime?
We should really be focused on solving our debt problems. We're this close to a federal shutdown because of our budget. Oh right. You can't see me.. I put my fingers close together.
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Libya
Mar 15, 2011 13:58:40 GMT -5
Post by krzych32 on Mar 15, 2011 13:58:40 GMT -5
... Once in a lifetime? We should really be focused on solving our debt problems. We're this close to a federal shutdown because of our budget. Oh right. You can't see me.. I put my fingers close together. But with this way of thinking we will never do anything because there is some kind of an internal problem all the time, when one is gone another one comes up into focus. We may as well say we will support you 100% on the internet but don't count for anything useful. Also it's kind of like placing a price tag on other people's lifes and liberties. IF we really believe that there are some basic right, one we are born with and they cant be taken from anyone, they we should enforce that believe. Otherwise we are just a bunch of hypocrites.
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Libya
Mar 15, 2011 17:15:20 GMT -5
Post by SwimFellow on Mar 15, 2011 17:15:20 GMT -5
I do think we should support other countries. In the case of Libya, we should be supporting...
I don't know. It's too hard to choose. Morally, we know the protesters are good, but they supply gas for us.. Which we need because it's still cheaper than electric.
We aren't hypocrites, because we would like to help, but then we'll get stuck in a SHIRThole like Iraq. And we need gas from them.
We should worry about our problems before them, because while what's happening is wrong, if we barge in, we may not be wanted or needed. Plus, we're at risk right now.
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Libya
Mar 15, 2011 17:22:21 GMT -5
Post by krzych32 on Mar 15, 2011 17:22:21 GMT -5
No one is asking for a full scale invasion, but our airforce should be mobilized to support the revolutionists. Also, what risk are you talking about?
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Libya
Mar 15, 2011 17:38:01 GMT -5
Post by SwimFellow on Mar 15, 2011 17:38:01 GMT -5
We should really be focused on solving our debt problems. We're this close to a federal shutdown because of our budget. Oh right. You can't see me.. I put my fingers close together. Risk ^^ If we were to send our Air Force in, wouldn't it seem kind of odd to the gov't? I mean, you're not flying in to say, "Hey, good job! Can we have gas?"
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Quinn
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[AWD:191c07]
The eye of compromise.
Posts: 580
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Libya
Mar 15, 2011 18:50:47 GMT -5
Post by Quinn on Mar 15, 2011 18:50:47 GMT -5
Let's all think back to Vietnam... that didn't turn out so well...
BUT LET'S DISCUSS EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I POSTED UP THERE!
I'm not really all that sure why oil is a big factor in all of this; there are plenty of other countries that provide USA with oil... And hell, they might actually be doing us a favor by cutting our dependence.
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Libya
Mar 15, 2011 19:32:02 GMT -5
Post by SwimFellow on Mar 15, 2011 19:32:02 GMT -5
Yeah.. But that might cause major harm to the markets.
Libya's the only "stable" country that supplies our oil..
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Libya
Mar 15, 2011 22:13:50 GMT -5
Post by austkyzor on Mar 15, 2011 22:13:50 GMT -5
Libya used to be such a nice country, with a high standard of living.
Seriously - they had Universal Healthcare, Standardized Medicine, Everybody was college educated, everybody had equal rights - the only thing going against it was the whole President-for-Life thing. My guess is that Gadafi died, and his son took over - 'cos Gadafi was also seriously secular, and despised the thought of state religion - to the point you could call him an atheist
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Libya
Mar 15, 2011 22:41:30 GMT -5
Post by krzych32 on Mar 15, 2011 22:41:30 GMT -5
We should really be focused on solving our debt problems. We're this close to a federal shutdown because of our budget. Oh right. You can't see me.. I put my fingers close together. Risk ^^ If we were to send our Air Force in, wouldn't it seem kind of odd to the gov't? I mean, you're not flying in to say, "Hey, good job! Can we have gas?" Debt problem has little to do with this topic. It's not really a factor in this debate. If generations before us were to think this way we would still have slaves and germany would rule europe.
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Libya
Mar 15, 2011 22:43:31 GMT -5
Post by SwimFellow on Mar 15, 2011 22:43:31 GMT -5
Um.. Yeah but slaves were our product. And we only got involved with WWII because the Japanese attacked is. And really, the UK won the war, not us.
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Libya
Mar 15, 2011 22:52:13 GMT -5
Post by Insane_Zang on Mar 15, 2011 22:52:13 GMT -5
Why am I siding with *hurls a bit* liberals on this? I'm scared
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Libya
Mar 15, 2011 22:55:56 GMT -5
Post by SwimFellow on Mar 15, 2011 22:55:56 GMT -5
Zang agrees!!
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Libya
Mar 15, 2011 23:14:04 GMT -5
Post by krzych32 on Mar 15, 2011 23:14:04 GMT -5
Um.. Yeah but slaves were our product. And we only got involved with WWII because the Japanese attacked is. And really, the UK won the war, not us. But we in the north could have said: it's south, let them do what ever they want but we will not have it here. Borders between humans are made in the sand, next town, state, country there is no difference. If you see something wrong being done you take an action or you don't. If you want to find a reason not to help it's really easy to do so, I can give you 10 right now. have you ever asked yourself how did the great evils of the world came into being? How come no one stopped the Nazis from going after the Jews, or Russians going after the Ukrainians? This is exactly how. People and nations that could have done something did not, but they did not. And they also justified their decisions in one way or another, but at the end of that day that does not matter. But for now lets keep being the ideologists on the internet, voicing out useless support to people that are actually doing something to make this world a better place.
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Libya
Mar 15, 2011 23:18:53 GMT -5
Post by SwimFellow on Mar 15, 2011 23:18:53 GMT -5
-The Confedaracy was invented as a pre-emptive to the Civil War, so it was still our country.
And I never said that the Internet couldn't help Libyan protesters. If they want help from us, I'd be happy to give it, but the government is in no position to help.
In fact, the US really didn't do much about Egypt, but we did. And I'm cool with that..
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Libya
Mar 15, 2011 23:44:24 GMT -5
Post by krzych32 on Mar 15, 2011 23:44:24 GMT -5
I think you are missing the point that evil is evil no matter where it's done, we could have just let them have their own country as they wanted. Also let me ask you this, if there was a country today that would have slavery, would we or would we not be in a moral obligation to free those slaves?
Governments all over the world ARE in position to help. Internet community can't arm man and drop bombs.
Egypt is a different story.
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