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Post by SwimFellow on Apr 16, 2011 16:18:37 GMT -5
Ray, why are we debating exactly?
I get it, you don't like Portal.
I can't make you happy, however hard I try.
Also, I thought you liked HL? *trollface*
You monster.
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Post by Raydawn on Apr 16, 2011 16:20:36 GMT -5
i like portal, otherwise i wouldn't bother running audiosurf to help it launch earlier, or even getting it at all. i just don't think it's as epic and amazing as everyone claims it is.
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Post by Lyserg Zeroz on Apr 16, 2011 16:21:46 GMT -5
Hardcore gaming is kind of a vague term. I'd rather use "hardcore" when referring to someone who is insanely good at specific games (for example, a hardcore FPS gamer, a hardcore GH player, etc). Other than that I think it's better to use just gamer. Usually I play games for the story =/? Why?. I think that if you are looking for a game you should focus on gameplay. Game with good story but crappy gameplay remains a crappy game... or maybe an interactive movie, if that's your cup of tea, then there's nothing wrong with that . But, of course sometimes a good story serves as a great complement for good gameplay, and other times the gameplay can relay on story and be deeply related to it (and vice-versa, you know, when you have to know the story to make in-game decisions that affect the story and what you're doing next... etc...)
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Post by SwimFellow on Apr 16, 2011 16:24:59 GMT -5
Wait wait wait.. valve would rather release another hipster puzzle game than finish their flagship franchise, frak yes i'm mad. I have no idea where you got "Hipster" from, but let's move on.. I've been playing a lot of Black Ops multi lately, as well as HL2. ...Kk... oh boy, you really should start quoting people instead of just posting. in before "i play cowadoody on xbox" these shooters for 12 year olds and fratboys are not hardcore games either. good job continuing to demonstrate your ignorance. Cowadoowy! You play that? Anyway, you seem to LIKE HL2.. So, are you bipolar? You changed your mind rather quickly..
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Post by SwimFellow on Apr 16, 2011 16:25:55 GMT -5
=/? Why?. I think that if you are looking for a game you should focus on gameplay. Game with good story but crappy gameplay remains a crappy game... or maybe an interactive movie, if that's your cup of tea, then there's nothing wrong with that . But, of course sometimes a good story serves as a great complement for good gameplay, and other times the gameplay can relay on story and be deeply related to it (and vice-versa, you know, when you have to know the story to make in-game decisions that affect the story and what you're doing next... etc...) Gameplay is also important.
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Post by Raydawn on Apr 16, 2011 16:26:21 GMT -5
plus, amazing stories by video game standards are pretty bad in comparison to a book or a movie. the most important part of a game should always be gameplay. a good story helps a lot, so you have a justification to do stuff (as in you want to see what happens next) but it's more imporant that the gameplay is enjoyable. a game that combines a decent story with good gameplay is better than an amazing story with lackluster gameplay.
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Post by Raydawn on Apr 16, 2011 16:28:25 GMT -5
Anyway, you seem to LIKE HL2.. So, are you bipolar? You changed your mind rather quickly.. hm? i enjoyed hl2, yes. saying you play half life doesn't make you a "hardcore gamer". you seem to be having some trouble debating here.
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Post by SwimFellow on Apr 16, 2011 16:33:11 GMT -5
You know what Ray, I really don't want to continue this debate. You don't seem to be getting that I have different tastes in gaming. Let's turn this thread into actual discussion.
Portal Gameplay - 9/10 Story - 9/10 Music - 10/10 Sound in General - 8/10 Graphics - 7/10 Lasting Appeal - 8/10
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Post by Vorrik on Apr 16, 2011 17:57:02 GMT -5
Worst argument of 2011..... (?)
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Post by Draemora on Apr 16, 2011 19:02:32 GMT -5
plus, amazing stories by video game standards are pretty bad in comparison to a book or a movie. the most important part of a game should always be gameplay. a good story helps a lot, so you have a justification to do stuff (as in you want to see what happens next) but it's more imporant that the gameplay is enjoyable. a game that combines a decent story with good gameplay is better than an amazing story with lackluster gameplay. Raydawn, shut the fuck up. You've been beating on swimfellow for no real reason other than your personal stick with Portal not being the masterpiece you perceive everyone else claims it to be. Not only that, but you're also basing it off your labeling of swimfellow as a "casual"... Which, by the way, doesn't make any sense. What is a "casual", and how do they harm gaming? Your explanation for this should better be some standardized thing instead of some weird judgment you cast on people. If it's the former then great. If not, you're as bad as he is, according to you, at debating. As for games not having a good story compared to literature... What the fuck are you talking about? I can quote literature PhDs that find game plots, such as Mass Effect, very developed. No book, no poem, no art piece, and no movie can provide the interactive storytelling video games can. They're different art forms and they shouldn't be judged against each other. Is a poem as good a novel? You can't compare them in that way because they're different.
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Post by SwimFellow on Apr 16, 2011 23:28:13 GMT -5
Worst argument of 2011..... (?) Kinda, I just slowly realize that NOT arguing with him would be a better alternative.
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Post by Raydawn on Apr 17, 2011 3:44:43 GMT -5
g, compare the plot of mass effect (widely accepted as one of the best in recent games) to the story of a good book, not some dan brown best seller. the story of me looks like what you'd find in n average action blockbuster movie, yet it's considered great by game standards. evil guy is trying to get mysterious artifact with help of robot army and you and your team are the only hope because the council doesn't believe you! a+, gotyay
i guess torment compares to a book, but that's hardly a video game story anyway.
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Post by SwimFellow on Apr 17, 2011 11:31:36 GMT -5
Who's g?
BTW, Portal is certainly a story.. It's got a lot of stuff outside of the actual game that leads into it.. Such as the interweaving HL2Ep2 storyline. (Who gets to the ship first?)
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Post by Raydawn on Apr 17, 2011 11:36:06 GMT -5
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Post by SwimFellow on Apr 17, 2011 11:39:22 GMT -5
Ahh. Anyway, Portal IS one of the most complicated and best stories in gaming.. Along with Mass Effect, and GTA, and Metal Gear Solid, and Bioshock.. Etc..
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Post by Raydawn on Apr 17, 2011 11:51:36 GMT -5
Ahh. Anyway, Portal IS one of the most complicated and best stories in gaming.. Along with Mass Effect, and GTA, and Metal Gear Solid, and Bioshock.. Etc.. oh boy portal, mass effect, bioshock and mgs i can see. you're new to gaming and haven't played the classic crpgs from the late 90s so naturally those are the best stories you have experienced. but god fucking damned gta?
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Post by Draemora on Apr 17, 2011 13:32:12 GMT -5
g, compare the plot of mass effect (widely accepted as one of the best in recent games) to the story of a good book, not some dan brown best seller. the story of me looks like what you'd find in n average action blockbuster movie, yet it's considered great by game standards. evil guy is trying to get mysterious artifact with help of robot army and you and your team are the only hope because the council doesn't believe you! a+, gotyay i guess torment compares to a book, but that's hardly a video game story anyway. I've compared Mass Effect to: The Forever War, I, Robot, and Brave New World... Even Literature PhDs agree with me. You might not be appreciating the full depth of these games. For example: Evil guy is trying to get an artifact in order to secure the prolonged existence of biological beings, while being slowly consumed and manipulated by the mechanical lull of an entity whose motives and purpose we can't fully understand. Saren's torn between the band of the Reapers and biologicals. In fact, Shepard can exploit this internal turmoil to make him commit suicide. Mass Effect's portrayal of Saren is even more complex than that. I could also paraphrase many good books into a crappy synopsis like you just did. I'm sorry to say that you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about, and that irks me.
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Post by Raydawn on Apr 17, 2011 13:51:26 GMT -5
g, compare the plot of mass effect (widely accepted as one of the best in recent games) to the story of a good book, not some dan brown best seller. the story of me looks like what you'd find in n average action blockbuster movie, yet it's considered great by game standards. evil guy is trying to get mysterious artifact with help of robot army and you and your team are the only hope because the council doesn't believe you! a+, gotyay i guess torment compares to a book, but that's hardly a video game story anyway. I've compared Mass Effect to: The Forever War, I, Robot, and Brave New World... Even Literature PhDs agree with me. if anyone required any further proof that today a degree means SHIRT.
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Post by Draemora on Apr 17, 2011 13:57:07 GMT -5
I've compared Mass Effect to: The Forever War, I, Robot, and Brave New World... Even Literature PhDs agree with me. if anyone required any further proof that today a degree means SHIRT. I wont talk to someone who's clearly under informed and more dense than lead.
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Post by Raydawn on Apr 17, 2011 14:01:24 GMT -5
if anyone required any further proof that today a degree means SHIRT. I wont talk to someone who's clearly under informed and more dense than lead. good to know you acknowledge your defeat
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