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Post by zAkAtAk on Apr 2, 2010 12:38:59 GMT -5
Here, I made us a banner for the new site! Why the balloon?! Why the toilet paper?
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Post by click3tyclick on Apr 2, 2010 13:58:38 GMT -5
Why the dinosaur?
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Post by zAkAtAk on Apr 2, 2010 19:40:07 GMT -5
Why the Bleeding Cowboys font?
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Post by mashuga31 on Apr 2, 2010 19:41:16 GMT -5
I always thought we should be called moontribe America isn't called "Obamaland". xD Your right, it's called Obama nation.
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Post by Andy Glover on Apr 4, 2010 1:20:25 GMT -5
I think Dan has brought us together, introduced us to the concept of Tribal Culture, helped us establish our values. Whether we want to accept it or not, he really is the leader of what's happening here. That doesn't give him power over us, it's just a fact. I think we should keep following along with his vision for the community. It's a bit premature I think, to start declaring our independence from Dan. I think we're much better off with his help!
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Post by RabbitWho on Apr 4, 2010 5:20:10 GMT -5
I like the name pogotribe, Pogoing is pretty random and something no one can associate with a specific ideology or person. I can't imagine anyone ever getting behind it in an aggressive manner like something more abstract and universal that we could change to mean and encompass anything we wanted and yet be very specific. We can make this mean what we want, but it's allready a dictionary word meaning something light-hearted and nice and a little wierd. Also I think most newbies won't associate "pogo" with "pogostick" they'll think ugga-ugga-bing-bong-boo-po-go, so they won't say "Oh I can't join because I don't pogo" Okay it HAPPENS to be something that Dan does, but I could do it too, I just don't wanna. I have that choice.
I think the banner on the wiki seriously needs to change, it's just 6 pictures of Dan. 5 would suffice.
As for taking DBU out of the logo, why not just change it to EBU, Every Body's universe! or.. EMU, Everybody's magnificent universe or some other adjective beginning with M, everyone could decide themselves what their M adjective would be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2010 5:55:55 GMT -5
whether we keep Dan as a leader or not, we will always need a leader. A tribe can't function without a leader. And tbh, I think Dan does a damn fine job.
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Post by RabbitWho on Apr 4, 2010 7:14:57 GMT -5
True, but he is a member of the community who occupies the role of leader/organizer/idea person/recruiter etc.. He is not the community, awesome though he may be! And as I said before it's great that it is his job, the rest of us have other responsibilities, this is his baby, he's going to look out for it.
I bet he has a secret second account here. And we'll never know who. o.O
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Post by Gesh on Apr 4, 2010 7:25:27 GMT -5
This sounds very similar to the American Revolution. The colonists felt they were already independent from the British and could function on their own, so they declared themselves independent. Except Dan isn't taxing us unfairly. xD But I don't think we should declare our independence from Dan. He is the leader, and he may not look on the forums as much as he used to, but he is still leading us forward with Pogotoks as well as many things behind the scenes that we don't even know about. Let's just wait and see what his secret project is first, at the very least.
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Post by RabbitWho on Apr 4, 2010 9:02:29 GMT -5
I think we're all on the same page we just have different understandings of what individual words mean. (Which is probably always true, but to be more specific:) Like "Leader" and "pogotribe" and "moon" "it" I mean i know it's an indeclinable pronoun for an inanimate object or something regarded as otherwise genderless, but beyond that I don't understand what "it" is at all. But mostly the disruption is over the word "Leader".
This community very much has a life of it's own now and of course we all like Dan and want him to keep doing exactly what he does and stay awesome, but maybe people just want acknowledgment of the fact that it's not a community of followers but of... i dunno.. commuters?
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Post by Breepop on Apr 4, 2010 12:27:20 GMT -5
We are not ready to be independent from Dan. When we are ready, it shall be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2010 12:36:17 GMT -5
We are not ready to be independent from Dan. When we are ready, it shall be. May I ask why we would want to be "independent"? And who would decide such a thing?
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Post by Andy Glover on Apr 4, 2010 13:44:56 GMT -5
We are not ready to be independent from Dan. When we are ready, it shall be. May I ask why we would want to be "independent"? And who would decide such a thing? If Dan starts to pull us in a direction that is contrary to our values, that might be the time to ask him to step down, but right now Dan is bringing us together in the spirit of recognizing our values! The tribe as a whole would come to that decision. But the idea that we need someone else in charge seems a bit confounded to me because Dan has given us unity (values) and a vision (tribal structure), which is exactly what I think a good leader should do. Here's my speculation: I think this is his secret project. I think that his VidCon speech will be a PogoTok to the masses. It will make sense of what we are doing, and the direction this tribe will ultimately take. I hope you guys are as excited as I am about this. Taking Dan away as a leader at this point seems to me not unlike starting to take blocks from the very bottom of a Jenga tower.
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Post by Sean on Apr 4, 2010 13:54:17 GMT -5
May I ask why we would want to be "independent"? And who would decide such a thing? If Dan starts to pull us in a direction that is contrary to our values, that might be the time to ask him to step down, but right now Dan is bringing us together in the spirit of recognizing our values! The tribe as a whole would come to that decision. But the idea that we need someone else in charge seems a bit confounded to me because Dan has given us unity (values) and a vision (tribal structure), which is exactly what I think a good leader should do. Here's my speculation: I think this is his secret project. I think that his VidCon speech will be a PogoTok to the masses. It will make sense of what we are doing, and the direction this tribe will ultimately take. I hope you guys are as excited as I am about this. Taking Dan away as a leader at this point seems to me not unlike starting to take blocks from the very bottom of a Jenga tower. That was exactly what I thought... It would change the ONLINE world forever... showing whatt good things can come from tribes
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Post by RabbitWho on Apr 4, 2010 13:59:36 GMT -5
www.ted.com/talks/derek_sivers_how_to_start_a_movement.htmlIt's less than 6 minutes long! This is exactly (not exactly) what Dan is trying to do and you can see it with the triads. There was such a need for them, it creates a sense of ownership with the projects and a better task-force, as well as team building and everything, the projects that don't get at least 2 people behind them in the projects forum really do fail. Individuals get demoralized very quickly and give up. The triads are a great idea, he's doing a great job as community organizer and level five dweller. You guys are probably right in that this is way too soon and the community should grow and get to a good large but stable size eventually. That stability is key, i don't know how it will be managed as it keeps growing, but it has to come from the different members, Dan is only one person, it needs to be gotten to the point where it can be 100% self sustaining and where Dan is a cog like the rest of us. I'm sure he can get it to that point. We should all march under his flag forever? All this great work should be done in his name? This community is far far far greater in value than the sum of its parts, and yes that is because of him, but he is still one of its parts. It deserves its own flag eventually, when it is self-sustaining like that. Right now without him everything would probably stop turning within a few weeks and there'd be anarchy.
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Post by Andy Glover on Apr 4, 2010 14:20:45 GMT -5
Rabbitwho, that was a great post!
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Post by Gesh on Apr 4, 2010 16:09:42 GMT -5
So now no one's going to go crazy and start protesting against Dan in the middle of a live show or something, correct?
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Post by revolution689 on Apr 5, 2010 11:52:03 GMT -5
This would be nice, what rabbitwho said...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2010 12:46:51 GMT -5
May I ask why we would want to be "independent"? And who would decide such a thing? If Dan starts to pull us in a direction that is contrary to our values, that might be the time to ask him to step down, but right now Dan is bringing us together in the spirit of recognizing our values! The tribe as a whole would come to that decision. But the idea that we need someone else in charge seems a bit confounded to me because Dan has given us unity (values) and a vision (tribal structure), which is exactly what I think a good leader should do. Here's my speculation: I think this is his secret project. I think that his VidCon speech will be a PogoTok to the masses. It will make sense of what we are doing, and the direction this tribe will ultimately take. I hope you guys are as excited as I am about this. Taking Dan away as a leader at this point seems to me not unlike starting to take blocks from the very bottom of a Jenga tower. Thanks for that reply, though I would like to hear what exactly Breepop means, as she said "when we are ready for it", which implies that eventually the necessity will without any doubt arise to break away from Dan. I don't think that is a fact, unless Dan starts going a different direction than the Tribe, there would be no problem in my opinion. Of course blindly following a person is bad, but having someone to lead is not, as it generates a lot more productivity and structure. At least that's my view on it
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Post by zAkAtAk on Apr 5, 2010 12:49:48 GMT -5
We are not ready to be independent from Dan. When we are ready, it shall be.
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