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Post by Jake on Apr 5, 2010 2:11:35 GMT -5
In most cases, the child is taught that it is a Catholic child, or an Islamic child, or a Jewish child, even before the child actually has the capacity to understand religion. This is, in my opinion, quite an awful thing to do. The problem here is that religious people believe strongly in their faith, and so understandably believe it is an awful thing to not help your child into heaven. However, I personally don't believe their are many bad things about religion that suggests are child would be badly affected if forced into a religion. |
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Post by bunnyfulwanderer on Apr 5, 2010 2:24:49 GMT -5
In most cases, the child is taught that it is a Catholic child, or an Islamic child, or a Jewish child, even before the child actually has the capacity to understand religion. This is, in my opinion, quite an awful thing to do. The problem here is that religious people believe strongly in their faith, and so understandably believe it is an awful thing to not help your child into heaven. However, I personally don't believe their are many bad things about religion that suggests are child would be badly affected if forced into a religion. religion should be a choice first and foremost. but of course the belief systems that give very negative consequences for failing to join the faith..yeah...when people really believe that. it is scary. but that's not religion so much as monotheism. all the same people need to be watched more. |
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Post by rainerfilm on Apr 5, 2010 7:46:08 GMT -5
sowwy. not used to using sites with a white skin  I must know exactly what you mean saying this, I am not offended, I just want to know. |
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Post by Leo McGinnis on Apr 5, 2010 7:47:54 GMT -5
The problem here is that religious people believe strongly in their faith, and so understandably believe it is an awful thing to not help your child into heaven. That's actually one of the reasons that I think is good about "forced" religion, if you will. But it depends heavily on how you interpret this. Now, I'm not a religious person at all, but I do know two or three individuals who are, one of whom grew up without any religion and then converted to Christianity at the age of 17-18. But I digress. Good moral values are the basis of any respectable religion. Often, they are the prerequisite of getting into heaven/etc. Many religious people raise their children to be religious because not only do they want to bestow the same moral values upon their offspring, but they also want their children to go to heaven. For someone who honestly believes, from the bottom of their heart, that in order to go to heaven one must practice a certain religion, I can very much understand why they would bring up their kids that way. Now, I'm all for choice, but not everyone who's religious plans to raise their children the same way just for the sake of it. Many parents honestly feel that their religion is the only way and depriving their children of that is akin to sending them to eternal damnation. I know I'm exaggerating a little, but that is how many people think. Also, not everyone FORCES their children into a certain religion. I'd think that for most kids, at least in my country, they are basically just growing up in either a religious or non-religious environment and simply don't know any different. My friend and I grew up in the same environment. I was never surrounded by many religious people and no one ever talked to me about it, so I grew up without any deity. Later, when I was older, I made the choice for myself that I didn't believe in any specific God. But my friend, who had a religious grandmother who only had a few months to live (cancer) was swayed by her undying faith and her being at peace with her approaching death. For him that was an epiphanic moment and he became a Christian. Note, he was pretty much a staunch atheist - more so than I was. So, basically, what I'm trying to say is that: a) not all religious people FORCE their religion on their kids - the kids simply grow up not knowing any different. They pray because their parents pray. They go to church because their parents do. Usually they'll live in a neighborhood where the majority of people are the same, so that's just what they learn. b) some people will embrace religion no matter their background later in life. This is why I don't really like the active forcing of kids into a religion by their parents. The kind where the parents go: "If you believe any different, you will go to Hell and I'll hate you for it!" |
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Post by boprock on Apr 5, 2010 10:27:33 GMT -5
Religion is forced on most
I was raised a Christian
at 10 i ditched that ridiculous belief system
Parents don't mind
Anyway i think its wrong to raise a kid as any religion
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Post by click3tyclick on Apr 5, 2010 10:31:51 GMT -5
Religion is forced on most I was raised a Christian at 10 i ditched that ridiculous belief system Parents don't mind Anyway i think its wrong to raise a kid as any religion So you're still Christian? |
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Post by boprock on Apr 5, 2010 10:34:38 GMT -5
"at 10 i ditched that ridiculous belief system"
No, I'm an Atheist/ Agnostic
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Post by click3tyclick on Apr 5, 2010 10:41:13 GMT -5
"at 10 i ditched that ridiculous belief system" No, I'm an Atheist/ Agnostic Exactly. |
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Post by Lex on Apr 5, 2010 12:33:17 GMT -5
I was raised in an Agnostic household. I never went to church until last year.
Then I realized it's still a load of bull that I refuse to buy into. I gave up after the pastor and my friend told me that I was going to burn in hell forever after I die.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2010 12:39:00 GMT -5
^^haha  My parent are both non-believers (is that Agnost or Atheïst? I'm not sure). My grandparents on my dad's side are/were (my grandfather died this year) devout Catholics, went to church every Sunday, the whole thing. My grandma on my mother's side however wasn't Catholic at all. My grandfather died when he was 35, and my grandmother had a really hard life as a single mother with 4 kids living in the 1960's. So reason enough not to believe in an omnipotent, benevolent creature for her I did go to catholic school all the way, elementary and high school, but our schools aren't really focussed on that anyway.. And I did my communion(s). But at the end it always was my decision and I actually looked into Buddhism a while to see if that was something that appealed me more, and it did, and still does  |
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Post by newschooled on Apr 5, 2010 13:52:02 GMT -5
I was raised in an Agnostic household. I never went to church until last year. Then I realized it's still a load of bull that I refuse to buy into. I gave up after the pastor and my friend told me that I was going to burn in hell forever after I die. No kidding, it's such a common tactic used by assimilative religions: The premise that you must carry out certain acts or believe particular things in order to avoid eternal damnation. Granted I'm Christian (I'm sure many would argue I'm not a very GOOD Christian...) Even looking at only CHRISTIAN theology...If you're gonna burn anyways, what was the point of Jesus dying for humanity? I think the problem herein lies with the fact that the Bible is (...and this IS historically accurate, though crudely paraphrased) a compilation of books arranged in part to support a political agenda. The theory of salvation in particular contexts relative to one dimensional personified omnipotent beings violates many basic philosophical truths. (Too many big words...Here's an example: If God can do anything, can he make a rock so big that he can't lift it?) It's good to explore these things no matter what your faith is, I think if you can better understand what you believe and why you believe it, it will only make your faith stronger. This is often done by questioning things, rather than simply blindly accepting what you are TOLD to believe. I'm just sayin... |
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Post by stephen5000 on Apr 5, 2010 14:46:28 GMT -5
I was raised in an Agnostic household. I never went to church until last year. Then I realized it's still a load of bull that I refuse to buy into. I gave up after the pastor and my friend told me that I was going to burn in hell forever after I die. I think they need to work on their recruitment skills. |
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Post by Lex on Apr 5, 2010 15:45:49 GMT -5
I was raised in an Agnostic household. I never went to church until last year. Then I realized it's still a load of bull that I refuse to buy into. I gave up after the pastor and my friend told me that I was going to burn in hell forever after I die. I think they need to work on their recruitment skills. Well, it's not like they said it outright. I asked them a couple questions like "so what happens to me when I die?" and they answered like "you're going to go to hell". So then I asked "what's hell like" and they said something like it being psychological torture equivalent to being burned alive constantly for eternity. Then I asked "and so this doesn't bother you at all? you're not concerned that two out of every three people are going to meet this fate?" and that's when they ran out of answers and the colour drains from their face. Once, my friend replied with "Well, it's never too late to become a Christian" to which I replied "Yes, well what if I was walking home today and I got hit by a car and died? It would be too late then, wouldn't it?". This is when he had no answer, his face turned white and he started stuttering sentence beginnings like "yeah... but... like... uh..." This isn't to say I hate my friend or anything - I love him a lot, but his beliefs frustrate me to no end sometimes. |
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Post by mrretrofire on Apr 5, 2010 19:25:48 GMT -5
Unfortunately religion is force upon children at an early age. in the modern age, i believe that depending on which country you live in that determines your religion, this is like "keeping up with the jones." I am pretty much brought up to believe in god but my belief is that there is no christian god. that the world is not 6,000 years old. i do however believe that there is some higher power that created the universe. otherwise "what is the universe?" and "how did it come about" you tell me.
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Post by speakmouthwords on Apr 5, 2010 20:06:36 GMT -5
Well as someone who had been forcibly christian for their formative years, faithless until I was 17, then had a religious experience in a Malaysian Dharma Buddhist Temple, I'd be pretty annoyed if my daughter went all God-believing on me. Especially since both atheism and buddhism would be offered to her (both Godless belief systems). However, from my own experience I can tell you that it is not always forced.
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Post by Tiffany on Apr 5, 2010 20:30:15 GMT -5
Okay, first off, I'm speaking from a Catholic standpoint. Just clarifying.
So for the idea of religion being "forced" upon kids these days, I can definitely say that there's a rule for that in the Catholic Church. They tell us to raise our children in the faith, which was how I was (and still am) being raised. Although, now, I'm at that point where I'm beginning to question whether I completely believe in the Catholic Church, because I disagree with some of its teachings.
Now, onto (some of) the questions:
1. What will your parents do if you change to a different religion or belief?
My parents probably wouldn't take it as harshly as my grandmother would. They would want to sit down and talk about why I decided to change religions and why I didn't believe what the Catholic Church had to say opposed to a different religion or belief.
My grandmother, on the other hand, would have a very hard time talking to me.
2. Are there some of you that only acts like a religious person, but in reality you believe differently? If yes, please tell my why you choose to keep your beliefs a secret from the people around you.
I go to church. I receive the Eucharist. I got confirmed a little while ago. The thing (mentioned earlier) is that I practice my faith, but I question it. This isn't really something I tell the people around me because I'm raised in an entirely Catholic environment (parents, church, school, etc) and I'm scared of people judging me. I'm not really sure that I believe entirely in what the Catholic Church has to say. For example, Catholics are supposed to think people who practice homosexuality go to hell. I don't. I think that's just stupid and judgemental. But back to what I was saying before: sometimes I think that I'm only going along with this because of my fear of the one thing that has been instilled so heavily upon me ever since I was little: HELL. I am petrified of hell, whether it truly exists or not, which is why I'm not really sure about my feelings of other aspects of the faith. If nobody had ever told me about hell, I don't know what I would think.
I'm not going to answer any of the other questions because I find them not applicable (or I just don't have a response), but I would like to say that I don't have a problem with any other religions. Two of my friends are Baptist and one is Nihilist, and I don't have any problems with that.
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Post by bunnyfulwanderer on Apr 5, 2010 20:56:34 GMT -5
sowwy. not used to using sites with a white skin I must know exactly what you mean saying this, I am not offended, I just want to know. the site skin (the color scheme of the site pages) is white. this makes the florescent color codes hurt peoples eyes. on a darker skin it would not be an issue. |
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Post by thejourney on Apr 5, 2010 21:52:32 GMT -5
i believe religion is forced sometimes my friend was forced to do confirmation so i helped her get out of it by convincing the church she was a lesbian and thus not pure and shouldn't do confirmation she was forced by her parents when she is agnostic it really depends if the parents are OK with it
i tried lots of religions and my parents supported me through all of them (even satanism) even if they conflicted with what they belive
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Post by rainerfilm on Apr 6, 2010 5:12:48 GMT -5
I must know exactly what you mean saying this, I am not offended, I just want to know. the site skin (the color scheme of the site pages) is white. this makes the florescent color codes hurt peoples eyes. on a darker skin it would not be an issue. Haha!!!, just watch out, people from South Africa will not interpret it like that. |
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Post by rainerfilm on Apr 6, 2010 5:26:09 GMT -5
i tried lots of religions and my parents supported me through all of them (even satanism) even if they conflicted with what they belive I must ask you, I have heard 200 different views on satanism. I am not satanist in any way and I will never be. I know a few satanists, one of them tried to curse me, nothing happened, to be honest, thing turned towards the better for me. I personally believe that something will only work for you if you believe in it, and I don't believe in Satanism at all. And just for the record, this satanist that tried to curse me did not have good attentions, if the curse worked it defiantly backfired on him. Please give me a detailed definition of what satanism is? I will not be offended unless it involves animal abuse or killing in any way. And I do know that in some satanic rituals blood is used. tell me more. And I will never be interested in being a satanist because I know it does not work. I just want to know more. |
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