mrretrofire
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Post by mrretrofire on Apr 6, 2010 19:21:42 GMT -5
Legalizing it would make it a whole lot safer, though. Plus, it's less time for the police force to be wasting. You sir, coulcn't be more wrong. If people can get it at a certain age, they'll sell it on. If they can buy it without the risk of getting caught, people will throw their lives away just to get it. It'll be epic fail. you are incorrect in stating this because you dont see this happening with cigarettes or alcohol do you? minors dont usually ruin their lives trying to get it because its legal just not for them. its a diff circumstance
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Apr 6, 2010 19:24:27 GMT -5
Well, I'm from the Netherlands, and here, the stuff is actually legel, in moderation. In my town especially, there's ever so many kids wasting their lives purely on the messing around with trying to get more. They skip school, get jobs for practically no money, usually illegal aswell. I myself never have used it, cause I didn't see any reason to try. When I want to feel good, I do something I like, for example playing volleybal, or hanging out with friends. Whenever I want to make myself feel less sick/ill, I take a day of for some rest and a decent amount of water. People should try that, seriously. Also, against stress, is taking stuff less severe. (Judging to consequence rather than who told you what). So, yah, I say ban it, completely. (Also, don't go 'medical' for it, there are other, way better, ways of curing whatever you have, aside from an addiction. Basically everything I see where I live and I'm in the U.S. Speaking from a personal point of view, I wish it never existed.
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Post by Leo McGinnis on Apr 6, 2010 19:25:07 GMT -5
I currently live in Almere, you know, the town where people vanish all the time, and get stabbed for no reason. I don't knnow quite how I still live, but yah, it sucks here. Well, right now that IS kind of the sh*thole of the country and it's not really representative of the rest. To be honest, Almere's problem isn't just drugs. Personally, I wouldn't want to live there if my life depended on it. Just to clarify: I hate drugs with a passion. And like the above poster I wish it never existed. But banning it isn't going to solve much.
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Post by kylemuse on Apr 6, 2010 19:25:30 GMT -5
alcohol is legal and have you ever been at a game or a party and some obnoxious guy got in a fight, have they been drunk or high on pot
drunk because it is impossible to get in a fight high. "HEY!" "hey!" "hey..." end of argument
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Post by Leo McGinnis on Apr 6, 2010 19:27:40 GMT -5
alcohol is legal and have you ever been at a game or a party and some obnoxious guy got in a fight, have they been drunk or high on pot drunk because it is impossible to get in a fight high. "HEY!" "hey!" "hey..." end of argument I have actually seen two guys who were both baked have at each other. But it was more of a... how should I put it... graceless dance. After a while both just sort of laid down and forgot what they were even arguing about.
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mrretrofire
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Post by mrretrofire on Apr 6, 2010 19:27:46 GMT -5
alcohol is legal and have you ever been at a game or a party and some obnoxious guy got in a fight, have they been drunk or high on pot drunk because it is impossible to get in a fight high. "HEY!" "hey!" "hey..." end of argument lmfao dude!!!
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Post by Lex on Apr 6, 2010 19:27:57 GMT -5
alcohol is legal and have you ever been at a game or a party and some obnoxious guy got in a fight, have they been drunk or high on pot drunk because it is impossible to get in a fight high. "HEY!" "hey!" "hey..." end of argument Oh, you can get into a fight while you're high. It generally depends on how stoned you are, and what exactly you're using.
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Post by mrretrofire on Apr 6, 2010 19:30:28 GMT -5
alcohol is legal and have you ever been at a game or a party and some obnoxious guy got in a fight, have they been drunk or high on pot drunk because it is impossible to get in a fight high. "HEY!" "hey!" "hey..." end of argument Oh, you can get into a fight while you're high. It generally depends on how stoned you are, and what exactly you're using. im pretty sure it was a joke
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Post by JustAnne on Apr 6, 2010 19:33:29 GMT -5
I don't think marijuana (hope it's spelled right ) should be legal because as Alex Christopher said it alters body functions and it changes behavior, kind of like alcohol, just that alcohol is more predictable than marijuana. I personally hate losing control of myself and really don't get what the fun part is, but that let aside, I just don't think there should be a mass consumption of any kind of drug but there are ones people can at least kind of control, like coffee, meds, cigarettes, and there are ones that control people, like cocaine, heroine, or THC. Even if there is no chemical addiction there will be an emotional or mental addiction that I'm not very fond of. But I guess, just like using alcohol people who wanna do it, will do it anyways and by legalizing it, there could be better control systems.
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Post by Trey on Apr 6, 2010 20:37:59 GMT -5
Easy, tigers. We've hit a little rough patch in our debate, and I'm seeing some fallaciousness. Let's not let this slide into something ugly :/
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Post by Trey on Apr 6, 2010 20:51:22 GMT -5
I don't think marijuana (hope it's spelled right ) should be legal because as Alex Christopher said it alters body functions and it changes behavior, kind of like alcohol, just that alcohol is more predictable than marijuana. I personally hate losing control of myself and really don't get what the fun part is, but that let aside, I just don't think there should be a mass consumption of any kind of drug but there are ones people can at least kind of control, like coffee, meds, cigarettes, and there are ones that control people, like cocaine, heroine, or THC. Even if there is no chemical addiction there will be an emotional or mental addiction that I'm not very fond of. But I guess, just like using alcohol people who wanna do it, will do it anyways and by legalizing it, there could be better control systems. I never thought I'd do this in a public form, but I will admit that I've been both drunk from alcohol and high from marijuana (I'm only 18), and I can confirm that when you get high, do don't wanna do $hit unless it involves a playground or a trampoline, lol. People high on THC are a lot more predictable than people drunk on alcohol. Someone who's drunk is likely to vomit, pass out, become sexually aroused (and being unable to hide it), or even become violent. These behaviors are expected, but they can happen in a split second, and they're hard to control. Someone high from smoking marijuana? Well, they're gonna wanna sit, giggle, eat, and occasionally want to jump on a trampoline. I've actually only heard of one instance where someone's caused an accident while DUI of marijuana. These kids didn't even get high and decide to drive a car. They got high INSIDE the car while they drove. Hundreds of people are killed by drunk drivers every day; Just putting that in perspective for yah
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Post by alexquantizes on Apr 7, 2010 0:03:58 GMT -5
I don't think marijuana (hope it's spelled right ) should be legal because as Alex Christopher said it alters body functions and it changes behavior, kind of like alcohol, just that alcohol is more predictable than marijuana. I personally hate losing control of myself and really don't get what the fun part is, but that let aside, I just don't think there should be a mass consumption of any kind of drug but there are ones people can at least kind of control, like coffee, meds, cigarettes, and there are ones that control people, like cocaine, heroine, or THC. Even if there is no chemical addiction there will be an emotional or mental addiction that I'm not very fond of. But I guess, just like using alcohol people who wanna do it, will do it anyways and by legalizing it, there could be better control systems. I disagree with that completely, my sister tried to get me to smoke with her when she was baked, I said no, she walked away without even asking why. I cannot say the same when she to get me to drink. Most people who smoke marijuana smoke it only occasionally. A small minority of Americans - less than 1 percent - smoke marijuana on a daily basis. An even smaller minority develop a dependence on marijuana. Some people who smoke marijuana heavily and frequently stop without difficulty. Others seek help from drug treatment professionals. Marijuana does not cause physical dependence. If people experience withdrawal symptoms at all, they are remarkably mild. (taken from www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/ ) To anyone who says that Marijuana makes people lose ambition, i'd argue that those who live a stoner lifestyle already had very little ambition, and decided to smoke afterwards. I don't think it's very likely that an ambitious person would risk doing drugs, then *poof* the ambition evaporates. More myths Marijuana Can Cause Permanent Mental Illness * Marijuana Has No Medicinal Value * Marijuana Is a Gateway Drug * Marijuana's Harms Have Been Proved Scientifically * Marijuana Causes an Amotivational Syndrome Marijuana Policy in the Netherlands is a Failure Marijuana Kills Brain Cells Marijuana Impairs Memory and Cognition Marijuana Causes Crime Marijuana Interferes With Male and Female Sex Hormones Marijuana Use During Pregnancy Damages the Fetus Marijuana Use Impairs the Immune System Marijuana's Active Ingredient, THC, Gets Trapped in Body Fat Marijuana Use is a Major Cause Of Highway Accidents Marijuana Related Hospital Emergencies Are Increasing, Particularly Among Youth Marijuana Use Can Be Prevented Marijuana Is Highly Addictive Marijuana Is More Potent Today Than In The Past Marijuana Offenses Are Not Severely Punished Marijuana Is More Damaging to the Lungs Than Tobacco From: www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/I found this site very helpful when I did my french presentation in grade 8
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Post by stephen5000 on Apr 7, 2010 0:39:49 GMT -5
Generally speaking, I wouldn't support the banning of any substance, unless it is shown to be extremely harmful. Even then, what people do with their own bodies is really up to them. If their abuse of a drug leads them to crime, charge them for that crime - we already have this with drunk driving legislation. Educate people, but let they themselves choose how to run their own lives.
That being said, it seems to me that the war on Marijuana far exceeds anything reasonable. It seems weird to me that despite the minor harm associated with marijuana use, the authorities (in the US at least) pursue, prosecute and punish people harshly for even minor infractions. Tying this with the government sponsored ad/education campaign that mostly exists to spread myths, I wonder if it is simply because of its relative lack of harm for a drug that it is reviled by those in power. (due to their Puritan sensibilities) Or is their an ulterior motive? (Racism perhaps?)
What do other people think?
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Post by kernoll on Apr 7, 2010 0:48:25 GMT -5
Its interesting that no one used that magic word decriminalization. Thats what is the marijuana scene all about in czech republuic. I heard it is because you Cant legalizate it because it is restricted in EU constitution...
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Post by Leo McGinnis on Apr 7, 2010 0:59:05 GMT -5
Its interesting that no one used that magic word decriminalization. Thats what is the marijuana scene all about in czech republuic. I heard it is because you Cant legalizate it because it is restricted in EU constitution... Well, after doing a little Googling it turns out that it's actually classified as "illegal" in most countries in the world (even the Netherlands). Decriminalized is a big one then, but I think that's generally what people mean by "legalizing" when they talk about the issue in general. You know, just the idea that you can legally purchase marijuana even if it's restricted to small quantities sold only in government sanctioned shops. That still practically makes it a "legal" drug, because "everyone" can get it. People basically talk about legalization when they really mean decriminalization then.
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Post by mitvas on Apr 7, 2010 1:17:03 GMT -5
Although I'm for legalizing it I think we're not ready to take a big step like that.There should be a max of how much you can buy and we have to prevent underage people from buying it.(something like alcohol) If you're against legalizing marijuana then you are stupid.Alcohol is just as dangerous (and fun when you're with friends).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 7:12:13 GMT -5
Ok, so I read through the whole thread, and there are a lot of interesting things, let me give my opinion First of all, Yes, I think it should be legalized (not only in America, I don't live there, so but also in European countries. My reasons: 1) This is actually to me the most important reason. If you legalize (or decriminalize) weed, quality labels could be made for it. This would prevent the production and distribution of marijuana with "extras" added to it. These extras are extremely bad for your body and are really really dangerous. That's what people die of when smoking weed. If the production could be controlled by officials, that problem would go away and people would be able to buy weed of which they are sure there's no poisonous metals in it or shirt. 2) As the alcohol prohibition has showed us, forbidden things are attractive. Make it legal and the "magic" and "exotic" element of it will disappear rather fast. 3) Less costs for society (less prisoners, less man-hours of police officers,..) 4) I have been drunk from alcohol and high from weed both in my life. The first time I drank beer was when I was 15 I think, and the first time I smoked weed was in the summer between first year and second year of high school. I liked it and have done it a couple of times since (about 5 times or so). Right now I'm at the verge of being 20 years old and I study Japanology at university, one of the harder courses there is. Demotivate much? I don't think so. 5) I agree with Trey (I think) who said that the effects of weed are a lot more predictable than the effects of alcohol. I've had friends who started getting aggressive, sexually aroused, freakingly active, plain weird or inable to do any physical movement or even all those things at ones because of alcohol. The only effect I've seen weed have on someone is them becoming extremely mellow and giggelish. I know which one I prefer. 6) Also, in this time of general obesity, weed is actually better since it doesn't give you any calories, contrary to alcohol, which contains an immense amount of calories. There you go, my opinion
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Post by JustAnne on Apr 7, 2010 8:41:41 GMT -5
If you're against legalizing marijuana then you are stupid. really? By predictable I didn't mean as in drunk people are more predictable than high people, I know they're not. But the body can eliminate alcohol consistently while it can't eliminate THC and whatever else is in marijuana evenly. And that combined with it changing a person's perception makes me think it should stay illegal. @crracktheskye: there are other ways to consume marijuana, like eating it in brownies and stuff and if it's legal and cheap there will probably be more people consuming it like that and therefore it wouldn't solve any calorie problems.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 9:08:28 GMT -5
well that's a choice, you can't chose to get drunk any other way than drinking alcohol, right? yeah, maybe sniffing the vapor, but that's not the best idea..
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Apr 7, 2010 9:29:24 GMT -5
Although I'm for legalizing it I think we're not ready to take a big step like that.There should be a max of how much you can buy and we have to prevent underage people from buying it.(something like alcohol) If you're against legalizing marijuana then you are stupid.Alcohol is just as dangerous (and fun when you're with friends). Cute. I'm not too thrilled about alcohol being legal either, but like it's said before Prohibition proves that there's not too much that can be done about that.
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