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Post by RandiKthxxx on Apr 11, 2010 11:59:10 GMT -5
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Post by bagelz on Apr 11, 2010 12:09:30 GMT -5
I think about them all the time. And the thought that there are endless versions appeals to me.
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Post by Rob on Apr 11, 2010 12:15:22 GMT -5
Sounds totally awesome and makes sense... though I wish it wasn't on Fox News.
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 11, 2010 13:08:13 GMT -5
There are two things in there that didn't quite fit.
Now the part about the ball has dropped allready doesn't make sense because the law of gravity wouldn't change between universe and the ball has no will of it's own.
The only way it could allready be on the ground is if the player who causes the ball to move threw the air in that universe maybe it was a different player. Maybe this other player isn't as good as the one in our universe and the person in our universe who caused it to happen never even tried out for the team in that universe.
The other flaw in the theory is this.
Actully we need our concepts of cause and effect to fully understand how the multiverse is even possible but this is a step in the right direction.
I've understood this theory for years but never really come up with a way to prove it was true.
The most simple way to exsplain how the multiverse works is by understanding cause and effect. Every single time any living thing makes a contious choice in this universe, in an alternate universe they may have made the same choice, a different choice, or never even had to make that choice at all. Because there are so many choices being made by so many different people and every choice may or may not cause other events and choices to happen that is what causes other universes to come into exsistance.
This paddle which was moving and not moving at the same time was doing so because in our universe the person performing the exsperiment caused it to move while in another universe that same person holding it in the same spot wasn't moving it.
He would have a contious choice in both universes to, as an example. Move this now or watch it hoping that my alternate universe counterpart is performing the same exsperiment at the same time in the same place with the same material. As such one of him did the exsperiment right away and the other waited for a response.
It's much like performing a phone call for the first time.
If the exsperiment was really a success than we would of allready made contact with other universes and they would of made contact with us and other universes all performing the same exsperiment at slightly different times and/or just waiting for their counterparts to start the exsperiment.
That being said, it sounds like an opticle illusion to me. The idea that anyone can see an object move and not move at the same time. It's been done millions of times before and just shot off as an opticle illusion. I don't really understand how this particular exsperiment for example is any different from the rubber pencil trick.
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Post by Engesa Green once more on Apr 11, 2010 14:02:15 GMT -5
The thing with multiple dimensions/universes is that whatever might have happened here has happened in some other universe. everytime you make a decision in this universe some other yous decide something else.
Am I right when i say that that is the theory?
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Post by bleabot on Apr 11, 2010 14:34:06 GMT -5
I disagree with the parallel universe theory if you're saying that everything we do creates another universe. For example, in one universe I made this post, but in another I didn't. At that point, the universes split, creating yet another parallel one. This makes no sense to me. What made me post is still there in the other universe. Everything in existence up to that point would be exactly the same or else the universe would have branched off earlier. If that's the case, what would make me do two different things if everything is the same, including me? That makes absolutely no sense. Everyone does what they do for a reason. I've never been able to wrap my head around this.
...does this make sense to anyone? xD
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Post by Ryan on Apr 11, 2010 15:24:16 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying bleabot, but what the theory says (in regards to your confusion) is that every time you get to the point where you are ready to make a decision, the moment you actually decide there is 1 additional stimulus. If you freeze the universe at this point, you make your decision, but b/c of the theory the stimulus both happens and doesn't happen at the same time. So the universe splits, and in this universe, you make the decision and in another you don't.
Another source of confusion is the fact that we are always in this universe, and everything we do that 'splits' the universe makes a new one. Each of those universes might create a different universe, and all of those might create a different one. But we always live in the same universe.
As far as the soccer ball example goes, the theory states that at any point along the soccer ball's trajectory, there could have been additional stimuli that could have or could not have happened, this might cause the ball to have dropped before it hit you in another universe, but in this universe it's still flying at your face.
This theory doesn't actually change our concept of cause and effect, it just makes the variables harder to predict.
And actually the discovery that led to this theory doesn't mean that parallel universes exist, but means that we can't actually predict things in a vacuum because of the duality of subatomic particle phases.
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Post by Silverrida on Apr 11, 2010 18:14:27 GMT -5
I agree with everything that Tyme said and I would like to add one thing. It is theorized that certain laws of physics may change between Universes. So gravity might not work due to General Relativity in that other Universe. Or the planets might be aligned ever so differently around the Earth that causes their influence on Gravity to change.
One of my favorite ideas about this theory is that it is possible that a Universe never experienced the Big Bang. There is a Universe that cannot be.
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 11, 2010 20:36:07 GMT -5
I disagree with the parallel universe theory if you're saying that everything we do creates another universe. For example, in one universe I made this post, but in another I didn't. At that point, the universes split, creating yet another parallel one. This makes no sense to me. What made me post is still there in the other universe. Everything in existence up to that point would be exactly the same or else the universe would have branched off earlier. If that's the case, what would make me do two different things if everything is the same, including me? That makes absolutely no sense. Everyone does what they do for a reason. I've never been able to wrap my head around this. ...does this make sense to anyone? xD Did you ever consider the possibility that in another universe this topic doesn't even exsist? What if the original poster had decided not to post it here. What if he never even registered on this web site. Or what if he did post this you but you're not registered on this web site. Maybe you have a different job and simply didn't have to make your post. To give a better example, When I was about 4 or 5 I saw a pair of roller skates in a toy store and I thought about getting them at the time but in this universe I didn't get them. As I grew older I actully developed to hate all sports in general. In another universe however I got thoughs skates, probly fell and suffered some brain damage the first time I tried to use the damn thing and in that universe I could be compition for Tony Hawk. I actully rather doubt that I would even like that alternate version of myself as our personalitys would of developed completly different from that point on. There are times when I'm wrighting posts like right now when I stop to think about what to say next, should I even say anything more, should I edit something I allready said. I don't allways make the right choice, in fact I offten times make the wrong choice and don't word things exactly right but each time I stop to think about what to do next every choice that runs threw my mind is a new universe. Every choice that you or I or anyone has ever thought about has been made. Of course there are cases where one person's choice may prompt another person to make a choice so if person A never propted person B to make a choice that thought process wouldn't even go threw their head which means there are probly other universes where we are making choices that we havn't even had to think about in this universe. If the OP had never made this topic you would never needed to respond to it. Hey maybe in another universe the OP doesn't exsist and you actully start this topic.
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Post by nicolii on May 11, 2010 20:12:08 GMT -5
I love to talk about parallel universes. I still don't understand how the article *proves* that parallel universes do exist... but that is just because I cannot grasp the entire concept. I think that it is very possible that every choice creates a new universe... I mean, what evidence is there to actually disprove this? I like the fact that humans don't know everything. Then we wouldn't have the desire to learn. We wouldn't be excited by theoretical possibilities, such as this one. Have any of you watched the television shows "Fringe" or "Lost"? They also deal with such topics. I find it fascinating.
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Post by Joey on May 11, 2010 21:16:05 GMT -5
Okay, I dont know much, so dont tell me off.
Could it be possible that we switch through universes, and thats how we get emotions? We switch because of our decisions. If I post this and it makes you angry, I switch to the universe where you are angry at me because I posted that. Every time I make you angry by posting this, and everyone else feels the same, I always switch to that universe. So I don't only create new universes, but I jump them too.
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Post by KipEnyan on May 11, 2010 21:35:17 GMT -5
This is going to be somewhat elaborate, but if you're interested in this subject, please don't Due to my laziness and short attention span, I have decided not to read your lengthy post. it.
A couple people are fundamentally misunderstanding this. Like the poster who pointed out that he couldn't have not posted in a parallel universe if all the stimuli leading up to it are the same, or the poster who mentioned that, by the laws of physics, a ball couldn't have already dropped if resulting from the same kick.
To fully comprehend the complexity of the multiverse theory, it serves us best to look at it from its roots.
Let's say, at some point in the immeasurably distant past, there was a "beginning of existence". God, an infinitely dense god particle, whatever.
Due to the "regional" rather than specific nature of electrons in orbit, and indeed the subatomic quarks that initially formed the electrons in the pre-atomic stew, we can assume that each particle had to be in only one place at a time, but at the same time in every place it could be at that time. We can assume this was the first dimensional division of the multiverse; each pre-atomic particle assuming one and only one of its possible positions in space, but since it simultaneously has to occupy EACH potential position, splitting into numerous universes to accomplish this task. Every universe currently in existence is derived in some way from one of the specific positional arrangements in space of these sub-atomic particles. At this initial division, we would presume that only a few trillion parallel universes were created, each particular possible arrangement of sub-atomic particles creating its own universe. This represents the first instant of existence, the tiniest unit of time possible.
At the next instant of time, each of the initial trillions of universes' particles assumes a new one-out-of-all-potential-positions that it could be in, and that universe itself splits into trillions of new universes.
So let's look at the universe we now occupy. It continued assuming different subatomic positions, until it happened to arrange into the particles that constitute the forces of gravity, light, neutrons, electrons, protons, dark matter, etc. In short, the laws and constituents of our universe. The Big Bang occurs, the universe expands and condenses, life evolves, and the PogoTribe is born, to summarize.
These continuing constant changes mean that at every instant in the history of the universe, a near-infinite number of parallel universes is created, that in turn diverges into trillions upon trillions of complimentary universes at the next nanoscopic instant in time.
We could assume, then, that during the time since I began writing this sentence, a number that even the most advanced supercomputers in existence would not be able to compute in trillions of years of universes have spawned from our universe alone, as well as from each of the infinite number of universes already in existence.
Therefore, in the case of the soccer ball in the air, the choices are not limited to in the air, on the ground, or unkicked, but indeed that soccer ball exists in every possible state a soccer ball could exist in, even in states we can't imagine, as in the early phases, different universes developed different laws and constituents. The only common law of the multiverse is that all multiverses derived from a common existence, and that they are all infinitely expanding.
It's hard to wrap a mind around, but that piece of metal was ACTUALLY in multiple places at once. By limiting as many of the factors that create the "stop-motion" view of reality we see whenever we observe something as possible, we get a glimpse into the quantum realm of existence, and can observe and interact on a limited level with the multiverse.
It is also worth noting, that scientists conducting experiments of a similar nature have found that light innately spans this spectrum. They shined a beam of light on a turbine that reacts to light, where it then bounced off in a different direction. At first, they just let the light shine off into the distance, and the turbine spun at a fairly high rate. After, they put lenses that scattered and diminished the rays of light AFTER they had already bounced off the turbine. They found that due to the quantum nature of all light, that the turbine spun notably slower, being directly affected by where the light WOULD be in the future, or more accurately, the light from the future coming back and affecting the past.
Freaky stuff, but undeniably interesting, and potentially the future of all modern physics.
If you actually read ALL of that, congratulations, you get a +10 Internet rating, and TWO cookies! =O
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Post by Joey on May 11, 2010 23:05:48 GMT -5
Ize takes mah two cookehz and say "AwEsome explanation man!"
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Post by Silverrida on May 12, 2010 15:10:59 GMT -5
The only thing that I would add to Kip's explanation is that it is thought that strings are also a constant in all the Universes as they comprise the particles, specifically quarks, that act as they do based on their position
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Post by KipEnyan on May 12, 2010 16:01:07 GMT -5
The only thing that I would add to Kip's explanation is that it is thought that strings are also a constant in all the Universes as they comprise the particles, specifically quarks, that act as they do based on their position Entirely true, but I felt that stipulation would also require a brief history of string theory, and the post was lengthy enough. XD
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Post by nicolii on May 12, 2010 19:15:32 GMT -5
Okay, I dont know much, so dont tell me off. Could it be possible that we switch through universes, and thats how we get emotions? We switch because of our decisions. If I post this and it makes you angry, I switch to the universe where you are angry at me because I posted that. Every time I make you angry by posting this, and everyone else feels the same, I always switch to that universe. So I don't only create new universes, but I jump them too. Hmmm... that is a bit difficult to grasp, but let me try to refute it. Of course, it is possible. Anything is possible. However... I am not sure it is always that simple to create a new universe. People react to things in the same way; we cannot change our emotions. Therefore, they don't always make the decision to react differently. So, why would emotions determine what universe you are in? (sorry if that doesn't make sense... i am not sure that even makes sense to me. ) I think it might be incredibly complex for one to constantly switch between universes. Or maybe not?
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Post by KipEnyan on May 12, 2010 19:21:50 GMT -5
Okay, I dont know much, so dont tell me off. Could it be possible that we switch through universes, and thats how we get emotions? We switch because of our decisions. If I post this and it makes you angry, I switch to the universe where you are angry at me because I posted that. Every time I make you angry by posting this, and everyone else feels the same, I always switch to that universe. So I don't only create new universes, but I jump them too. Hmmm... that is a bit difficult to grasp, but let me try to refute it. Of course, it is possible. Anything is possible. However... I am not sure it is always that simple to create a new universe. People react to things in the same way; we cannot change our emotions. Therefore, they don't always make the decision to react differently. So, why would emotions determine what universe you are in? (sorry if that doesn't make sense... i am not sure that even makes sense to me. ) I think it might be incredibly complex for one to constantly switch between universes. Or maybe not? In regards to this post and the one it is quoting, emotions don't really play into quantum theory. In a sense, they do, because every sub-particle in existence plays into quantum theory, and we are made of maaaaany maaaaany sub-particles. However, the idea that emotions are a result of dimensional transition is just a misunderstanding of emotions. Emotions are nothing more than a mix of chemicals and series of electrical impulses firing in the brain. We perceive them as deep, internal movements of the soul, but it really all boils down to the chemistry in our heads.
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Post by nicolii on May 12, 2010 19:40:26 GMT -5
In regards to this post and the one it is quoting, emotions don't really play into quantum theory. In a sense, they do, because every sub-particle in existence plays into quantum theory, and we are made of maaaaany maaaaany sub-particles. However, the idea that emotions are a result of dimensional transition is just a misunderstanding of emotions. Emotions are nothing more than a mix of chemicals and series of electrical impulses firing in the brain. We perceive them as deep, internal movements of the soul, but it really all boils down to the chemistry in our heads. Veery true. Thanks for explaining this. :]
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Post by Joey on May 12, 2010 21:58:56 GMT -5
In regards to this post and the one it is quoting, emotions don't really play into quantum theory. In a sense, they do, because every sub-particle in existence plays into quantum theory, and we are made of maaaaany maaaaany sub-particles. However, the idea that emotions are a result of dimensional transition is just a misunderstanding of emotions. Emotions are nothing more than a mix of chemicals and series of electrical impulses firing in the brain. We perceive them as deep, internal movements of the soul, but it really all boils down to the chemistry in our heads. Veery true. Thanks for explaining this. :] I meant that emotions are an example, just one easy thing that you can see the cause and effect of. I was saying that would it be possible to be constantly switching universes, depending on our choices, and major choices switch us into a new form of universes not created until those possibilities play out(I marry some one, then I create a whole new section of universes, infinitely expanding)We travel through the universes and switch back and forth, but feel as if it is normal. Then Deja Vu comes from when we switch rapidly. Just food for thought.
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Post by nicolii on May 12, 2010 23:03:18 GMT -5
I have a theory that deja vu occurs when I experience a moment that has already occurred in a parallel universe. Or maybe it occurs when I've already dreamt about something that actually happens...
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