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Post by The Monster on Apr 17, 2010 16:22:21 GMT -5
Alright, so the discussion up for debate is whether current illegal drugs such as Heroin, Cocaine and meth should be legalized and regulated like cigarettes and alcohol?
Now of course we are looking at a different extreme here, although do you think with sufficient regulates towards advertisement and consumption (like cigarettes) it could be accomplished?
Now the reason why I bring up this debate is because currently a lot of crime is based off this business (regarding money). So in part do you think crime would be significantly reduced by legalizing drugs, considering their is nothing really to make money off of?
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Post by Trey on Apr 17, 2010 17:42:16 GMT -5
Eh, though I support the idea of legalizing marijuana in the United States, I think drugs such as heroin, cocaine, meth, etc, should remain illegal. This is because, like someone else on the forum had said, I would rather not be curb stomped by some druggie on PCP xD. The harder drugs seem to become a safety issue for people who aren't involved with these drugs.
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Post by rcn927 on Apr 17, 2010 20:53:24 GMT -5
All besides alcohol should be illegal in public for secondhand health. All should be legal in sufficient seclusion, making them illegal will make more people want to do it.
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Post by Jake on Apr 17, 2010 21:02:23 GMT -5
Firstly, I don't do or intend on doing any drugs.
But the difference between Marijuana and other drugs is that Marijuana is much less dangerous/addictive. And making the other drugs legal would be very irresponsible.
Although alcohol and cigarettes are legal, I don't believe it means the others should be legalised. Because if alcohol and cigarettes were only just discovered today, they would probably both be illegal.
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Post by D.S. Tucker on Apr 17, 2010 22:37:37 GMT -5
My personal opinion is that drugs that are derived from plants tend to be much less harmful than drugs made in a laboratory (for recreation).
Like Trey said, I would not want to be tackled on the street by some guy on PCP. But I don't see a stoner doing that, not if they're getting their stuff clean and legit. Meth, crack and ecstacy are really creepy drugs that are 100%% synthetic and 100% bad for you.
But most drugs like heroin, cocaine and even marijuana go through a process of being "cut", which is to say they are processed--especially H and cocaine--so much that they do not even resemble the plant they originally came from.
I believe there have been studies in Germany and Britain that show if you give a Heroin or Cocaine addict actual, pure substance, they tend to level out. It's all that bleach, laundry detergent and god knows what else that the stuff is being cut with that makes people go insane.
There is also a lot to say about tribal people using hallucinogenics as religious experiences, and I think that some people of that religious persuasion in the West should be allowed to go to nature and take some Mushrooms or Peyote and go find themselves.
Hey, if they fall, trip, break their neck and die... they knew that was a risk. It's a risk leaving your house in the morning. It's a risk NOT to.
The thing is, though, there's too much stigma AGAINST drugs. I don't think I'd see a big mental shift in my lifetime from "EVERYTHING IS BAAAAAD" to "Hey, this is alright, man, do what you will, I'll do what I will."
I could go on, but I'll wait.
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 18, 2010 4:52:02 GMT -5
In response to the argument that "if it grows in the ground it's good for you" and other such non-sense...
Just because it's natural doesn't make it any less dangerous. There are plants just like there are animals which are poisonous. They can make you sick or kill you.
Of course in some cases the way we prepair them makes them dangerous. We all should know that grapes are fine when consumed right off the vine or juiced but grapes are also used to make wine. As a wine grapes stop being healthy.
Or without going the drug rout. Potatoes loose all their vitamins when their friend. However no one has ever caused a car crash from eating too many french fries.
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Apr 18, 2010 9:49:59 GMT -5
No.
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Post by RabbitWho on Apr 18, 2010 10:28:05 GMT -5
My personal opinion is that drugs that are derived from plants tend to be much less harmful than drugs made in a laboratory (for recreation). Nonsense. A plant is a natural lab, mixing all kind of chemicals. Cyanide comes from plants, thousands and thousands of species of plants are deadly poisonous. That's where scientists get most of their chemicals in the first place. For some reason in modern society people think "natural" equals "healthy" but arsenic is natural too. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_poisonous_plants(far from full list) |
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Post by The Monster on Apr 18, 2010 11:55:51 GMT -5
I think it should be legal, because I think a lot of the drugs which are sold on the market today aren't as pure as they used to be. Basically, drug dealers are looking to get their customer addicted to their product through all those chemicals they place in it; which makes all it's consumers go crazy. I just think the government should take a different approach towards regulating the drugs in a safe manner and start treating it as a addiction oppose to a crime.(just like alcohol)
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Post by RabbitWho on Apr 18, 2010 13:18:45 GMT -5
I can't beleive anyone would be in favor of this. Just because trainspotting makes drugs look cool doesn't mean we should legalize them. Class A drugs literally destroy lives and tear families apart and cause a crazy amount of suffering. Making them legal would be saying "that's okay". You think when people had pure opium they didn't get addicted? They didn't die? They didn't suffer? Pure cocaine? Heroin started as a brand name lets not forget.   They were banned in the first place because people were getting addicted and throwing away their lives, not to mention dying all over the place. Clean needles for everyone, huzzah. Medical support for everyone, huzzah. Education for everyone, huzzah. Class A drugs for everyone? Insanity. |
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Post by Jake on Apr 18, 2010 16:12:06 GMT -5
Marijuana is safer, and from I've heard, better, than alcohol and smoking. Yet alcohol and smoking are a lot more common than Maijuana and I believe that's down to what is legal and what is not.
So making it all legal would greatly increase the number of people who use them - which I don't think would save more lives than it would take.
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Post by andrea1994barney on Apr 18, 2010 18:33:32 GMT -5
I don't think there is much debate here other than NO! Marijuana can be legalized but I'm not supporting it or bashing it, simply because it is about the same as drinking and smoking at the same time. There just needs to be regulations like there is with alcohol. Other drugs can kill you and make you go crazy. If they legalize ANYWHERE it that is a sign our world is falling apart.
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Post by cadetpewpew on Apr 19, 2010 1:57:01 GMT -5
In response to the argument that "if it grows in the ground it's good for you" and other such non-sense... Just because it's natural doesn't make it any less dangerous. There are plants just like there are animals which are poisonous. They can make you sick or kill you. Of course in some cases the way we prepair them makes them dangerous. We all should know that grapes are fine when consumed right off the vine or juiced but grapes are also used to make wine. As a wine grapes stop being healthy. Or without going the drug rout. Potatoes loose all their vitamins when their friend. However no one has ever caused a car crash from eating too many french fries. Seriously? Wine is so fuckng dangerous.....can't even. What is with you,people? Marijuana is a plant.It was put there for a reason and with a purpose.Who the fuck are we to make somethin mother nature has grown for us illegal.Why do we have to do stupid things? There hasn't been even ONE registered death from marijuana.Just happy people with munchies ;DD |
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 19, 2010 2:30:04 GMT -5
In response to the argument that "if it grows in the ground it's good for you" and other such non-sense... Just because it's natural doesn't make it any less dangerous. There are plants just like there are animals which are poisonous. They can make you sick or kill you. Of course in some cases the way we prepair them makes them dangerous. We all should know that grapes are fine when consumed right off the vine or juiced but grapes are also used to make wine. As a wine grapes stop being healthy. Or without going the drug rout. Potatoes loose all their vitamins when their friend. However no one has ever caused a car crash from eating too many french fries. Seriously? Wine is so fuckng dangerous.....can't even. What is with you,people? Marijuana is a plant.It was put there for a reason and with a purpose.Who the fuck are we to make somethin mother nature has grown for us illegal.Why do we have to do stupid things? There hasn't been even ONE registered death from marijuana.Just happy people with munchies ;DD Wine is an alcohol and just like any other alcohol can impair your judgement. |
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Post by Trey on Apr 19, 2010 6:26:14 GMT -5
Seriously? Wine is so fuckng dangerous.....can't even. What is with you,people? Marijuana is a plant.It was put there for a reason and with a purpose.Who the fuck are we to make somethin mother nature has grown for us illegal.Why do we have to do stupid things? There hasn't been even ONE registered death from marijuana.Just happy people with munchies ;DD Wine is an alcohol and just like any other alcohol can impair your judgement.  He knows that |
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Post by RabbitWho on Apr 19, 2010 7:14:08 GMT -5
Why are you all talking about marijuana? There's a separate thread about that. This thread is about all drugs.
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 19, 2010 7:44:34 GMT -5
Wine is an alcohol and just like any other alcohol can impair your judgement. He knows that Doesn't look that way to me but maybe I missunderstood something. |
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Post by zAkAtAk on Apr 19, 2010 7:55:37 GMT -5
Yes, but there would need to be a lot a lot a lot of regulation about the doing of harder drugs. I don't think it will happen soon though. Weed should definitly be legalized though, or alchohol made illegal. Alchohol has been proven to be much more dangerous and potent than weed and yet it is still very much legal. Pretty dumb.
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Apr 19, 2010 13:41:01 GMT -5
In response to the argument that "if it grows in the ground it's good for you" and other such non-sense... Just because it's natural doesn't make it any less dangerous. There are plants just like there are animals which are poisonous. They can make you sick or kill you. Of course in some cases the way we prepair them makes them dangerous. We all should know that grapes are fine when consumed right off the vine or juiced but grapes are also used to make wine. As a wine grapes stop being healthy. Or without going the drug rout. Potatoes loose all their vitamins when their friend. However no one has ever caused a car crash from eating too many french fries. Seriously? Wine is so fuckng dangerous.....can't even. What is with you,people? Marijuana is a plant.It was put there for a reason and with a purpose.Who the fuck are we to make somethin mother nature has grown for us illegal.Why do we have to do stupid things? There hasn't been even ONE registered death from marijuana.Just happy people with munchies ;DD Whoa whoa whoa, what do you mean, "you people"?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2010 13:52:39 GMT -5
he said you, people?
not you people?
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