Cortney
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Post by Cortney on Mar 4, 2010 21:58:31 GMT -5
Careful with that marriage being a Christian custom argument. I'm just saying the marriage that this poll is referring to is indeed a Christian marriage.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Mar 4, 2010 21:59:37 GMT -5
I have nothing wrong with gay people. You guys can go wiggle it around in excrement, but marriage is out of the question.
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Post by Lex on Mar 4, 2010 22:00:02 GMT -5
Marriage is marriage. Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic... it doesn't matter. Marriage has more to do with legalities than it does with religion. I have nothing wrong with gay people. You guys can go wiggle it around in excrement, but marriage is out of the question. And either you're just trollin' or you're legit and completely deluded.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Mar 4, 2010 22:02:06 GMT -5
No, I'm legit...
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Philosoraptor
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Post by Philosoraptor on Mar 4, 2010 22:16:57 GMT -5
Your first sentence entirely contradicts your second, sir.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Mar 4, 2010 22:18:55 GMT -5
No, I don't hate gay people, I just think they shouldn't be married.
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Post by Philosoraptor on Mar 4, 2010 22:20:13 GMT -5
Why, if you don't mind me asking? Do you have any particular reason?
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Post by Insane_Zang on Mar 4, 2010 22:21:15 GMT -5
Yes, I, being a Christian, believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.
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Post by Philosoraptor on Mar 4, 2010 22:24:55 GMT -5
Well, I'm afraid there's no use debating then. Still, what do you suppose gives you the right to decide what other people may or may not do according to the rules your particular religious mythos?
(Also for the record, proposing that a group of people ought to be denied some place in our culture totally screams "I have some problem with them." Try "I have no problem with blacks, I just don't want them driving cars" or "I have no problem with left-handed people, I just don't want them getting pilots' licenses.")
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Post by Ricky on Mar 4, 2010 22:28:15 GMT -5
I have nothing wrong with gay people. You guys can go wiggle it around in excrement, but marriage is out of the question. You realize there are married couples between a man and a woman who do exactly that too right? Also: You said that you can't allow it because your beliefs and your beliefs are those of Christianity. Then I ask, what are the reasons Christianity doesn't allow gay marriage (don't tell me the way its "supposed" to be but why its "supposed" to be)
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Post by Insane_Zang on Mar 4, 2010 22:32:27 GMT -5
I don't know why, but God says so, so I believe it. *waits for yelling*
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Post by Philosoraptor on Mar 4, 2010 22:32:30 GMT -5
Ricky, Christianity (at least hardcore bible-bashin' fun times Christianity) pretty strongly hints that it doesn't like gayery. There's that whole Leviticus line that goes "'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." The issue isn't the fact that the religion claims that, it's the fact that its followers just assume that the rules of their religion ought to be imposed on everyone else.
Zang... well, yeah, you can expect some disagreement there. The word for what you're preaching is intolerance and it tends to not go over well with people who value other people. It doesn't really help that your case is supported entirely by blind faith.
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Post by Ricky on Mar 4, 2010 22:42:53 GMT -5
Zang God talked to me. He says he changed his mind about gay marriage, he's seen "queer eye for the straight guy" and likes them now. he also wants everyone to know The Beatles rock...
Not sure about the second one but I think God might have a point XD
-Yes, my comment was sarcastic, but its as indisputable as yours Zang...-
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Post by Philosoraptor on Mar 4, 2010 22:44:09 GMT -5
That reminds me of that joke about how at least Hell will be very well-decorated.
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Nakor
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Post by Nakor on Mar 4, 2010 23:09:27 GMT -5
Careful with that marriage being a Christian custom argument. I'm just saying the marriage that this poll is referring to is indeed a Christian marriage. It just says "marry", nothing in the OP says anything about Christianity. And I can't accept that the word "marry" automatically refers to Christian marriage. Pretty much every other religion (not to mention us atheists) would have a problem with that. Besides, it's one thing if a church refuses to do the ceremony. That's their decision, their problem. It's another to force upon everyone else their laws by outright banning gay marriage. (Especially when there are, in fact, christian churches wholly in favour of gay marriage.)
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Post by cobracommander on Mar 4, 2010 23:09:52 GMT -5
i've said it before and i'll say it again. people can do whatever the hell they want. Its doesn't matter to me. I'd never marry another man, but thats just me. And i don't see how two people of the same sex marrying each other could possibly negatively affect anyone.
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Post by grover on Mar 5, 2010 0:05:54 GMT -5
oh look! shocker, the mormon voted no.
anyway, from my religious perspective, homosexuality is just one of many trials that people are given on this earth.
it's not intolerance, because I don't have a problem with the fact that they're gay, I know it can't be controlled, but I still have my beliefs, which as my church teaches, is alot more significant than just a rule that god decided, but this isn't the religion topic so i'm not gonna bother. point is, I act on what I think is right.
just making sure, cause I really have no idea, but is there really any benefit at all that homosexuals would gain from marriage? if there isn't I really so no reason why people would care.
also people, religious does not mean republican, just saying.
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Post by Nakor on Mar 5, 2010 0:14:12 GMT -5
No, but the wingnut extremist christians do tend to be wingnut extremist republicans and vice versa. That's more of a wingnut thing than a religious thing though. If that makes any sense whatsoever.
As for the benefits gays would gain from marriage, all the same ones we do. How it affects taxes, hospital visits (and medical care) and so forth. And if you're talking about the marriage vs civil union wording argument, it would be rather bigoted to ensure the laws state specifically that straights can "marry" while gays can "have a union" but not marry, regardless of if the rights other than the wording are the same.
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Post by grover on Mar 5, 2010 0:23:23 GMT -5
people arent bigots just because they're against gay marriage, my gosh.
also, you do realzie your accusing the "wingnut extremist republicans" of the same thing that they're accusing of you?
although accusations of gay marriage being a conspiracy is news to me.
I just didn't know that married people got benefits in general. tell you what, we keep marriage between a man and a woman but gievaway all the benefits that go with it. fair compromise amirite?
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Post by Nakor on Mar 5, 2010 0:36:19 GMT -5
...no, it really isn't? Why is it not okay to refer to it as marriage when the gays are involved? How is that not discrimination?
As for the wingnut bit, I admit it's a generalization, but at the same time you have to realize that the republican party's goals often line up fairly evenly with fundamentalists' or evangelicals' political goals (or at least far better than the left does), so it's hardly a surprise that the fundies generally associate themselves with the far right.
although accusations of gay marriage being a conspiracy is news to me.
News to me too, what conspiracy are you talking about?
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