bleabot
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Post by bleabot on Mar 9, 2010 17:21:18 GMT -5
I think there's more open hatred toward gays because murderers are prosecuted and punished. Bible-thumping, die-hard "holier-than-thou" people believe this should be the case for homosexuals too, but it's not. They can live normally and functionally in society without punishment. The hatred comes from the fact that they believe that these people should be thrown in jail or "repent" (I don't know how you'd repent for something when it's part of your biology...), but it isn't happening.
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zeromerc
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Post by zeromerc on Mar 9, 2010 18:36:52 GMT -5
And the number one problem with this entire thread...
Being homosexual is not a race. It is a lifestyle.
I do not believe that Homosexuals should be necessarily denied the right to get married but the argument that they should be given the same right or we need to take it away from blacks and asians (as i saw one post) is not only flawed but laughable.
So let us start at the begining that being homosexual is a choice or not. Just like being left or right handed. I (as a right handed person now) was born with left handed tendencies. I first picked up the pencil with my left hand. The choice to be left handed was taken from me by my mother who hated my father. See he was left handed and my mother was not going to have son who was like him. It was choosen for me to become right handed. I may have been "born" left handed but now I really dont know the diffrence. I can also now write with either hand and I also bat left handed.
I digress. I am not in any way suggesting that people should not be how they choose to be. But lets be real for a second. Homosexuality is a choice. You may be born with a preferance but its still a choice.
Unless you are suggesting we need new marriage arrangements for those that are left handed?
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Post by americanarchon on Mar 9, 2010 18:48:59 GMT -5
Then do you choose to be straight? You have a preference but you choose to ACT on it.
Also, attempts to "re-educate" homosexuals have usually been failures, based on pseudo-science. So it's rather ridiculous to compare homosexuals to the left-handed.
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zeromerc
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Post by zeromerc on Mar 9, 2010 18:52:14 GMT -5
Yes i do choose to be straight. Its what I prefer.
And comparing a sexual lifestyle is exactly like being left handed. Ask the left handed people how they were treated about a thousand years ago.
Anymore questions?
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Post by Ryan on Mar 9, 2010 21:06:21 GMT -5
zeromerc You do not choose to be homosexual, since you are not homosexual, you do not understand how much it is not a choice. If it were a choice, I could possibly convince you to be homosexual, which you are not. Also, I am right handed, but have trained myself to be ambidextrous as I find that being so grants me a leg up in certain areas of my life (teaching using a chalkboard/whiteboard, playing instruments, writing notes real quick, even balance and rock climbing). That doesn't change the fact that I'm right handed. Your mother trained you to write with your right hand, but even you said that you bat left-handed and are ambidextrous when it comes to writing. So your brain still thinks you are left-handed you simply have acquired the skill to use both hands. Like americanarchon said, you do not choose to be straight b/c you prefer it, you choose to act on straight thoughts, because you were born with the preference. The same is true for homosexuals. Yes, it is a choice to act on the thoughts, but denying anyone the right to act on their thoughts is to take away their own free will which is a crime far worse than taking away the civil liberty to have the benefits of union.
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zeromerc
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Post by zeromerc on Mar 9, 2010 21:33:55 GMT -5
note: I choose to be homosexual for 3 years.
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Post by Lex on Mar 9, 2010 21:47:55 GMT -5
note: I choose to be homosexual for 3 years. You most likely are bicurious, and had attractions to those of the same sex over that three year period and chose to act on those attractions. You did not 'choose' to be straight or gay. You just chose to act on the attractions. Acting on the attractions is not what makes someone straight or gay. And your left/right handed thing is bogus. We've learned that you cannot force someone to become ambidextrous, which is why left-handed people are no longer persecuted for being different (ie: being given the strap in school, or being slapped on the hand every single time they use their left hand). So either you're trollin, or you're an idiot.
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zeromerc
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Post by zeromerc on Mar 9, 2010 22:01:41 GMT -5
i thought this was a form for free speak... guess those of you that are hating are just your typical "either agree with me or your and idiot"
Its cool. I understand its easier for the uneducated to argue their point to the point of name calling rather than ask questions and try to possibly see another point of view.
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Post by runforthefinish on Mar 9, 2010 22:15:18 GMT -5
Guys we need to be welcoming to another person's opinion. By assualting a person because of their opinion we are taking steps backward in becoming a level four tribe. alex Christopher please respect zeromerc's opinion. There is other ways to debate without assualting a person in doing so.
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Post by Ryan on Mar 9, 2010 23:21:30 GMT -5
/agree with runforthefinish Just because someone posts something that you don't necessarily agree with, or even if you think it is complete bogus, or if you think that people are responding an an uneducated fashion, or you think that they are responding without facts to support their argument, you should not resort to bashing, name calling, or accusations of low IQ or education level. This is a forum for free speech and discussion and debate, that's why it was created as "The Debate Forum" part of this section of our tribe. It is here for us to use as a civilized method of debate. @ Both of you - don't be trollin'! zeromerc - when you say you chose to be homosexual for three years, does that mean that you chose to find yourself attracted to the same sex? or does it mean that you chose to act on the feelings you had during a period of time. It isn't unheard of for people to go through a bi-curious phase of their life where they are unsure about their sexuality and therefore choose to experience multiple possibilities. Though during this time most people discover the true nature of their sexuality. alex Christopher, you can force yourself to learn to be ambidextrous, many people do - myself included.
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Nakor
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Post by Nakor on Mar 10, 2010 0:07:38 GMT -5
Studies have shown that homosexuals do not choose to be that way. Remember, choosing to date people of your own gender does not make you homosexual -- merely having that preference does. If someone prefers their own gender, but to conform to society goes against that, they are still homosexual, they are merely hiding it, which is unfair to them. People may have control over who they date, and yes, some people do choose to experiment, but which gender you have sexual urges for is not something you choose.
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Post by cadetpewpew on Mar 10, 2010 3:05:00 GMT -5
I was talking about this topic with someone in my class. I told him I was gay and he said he was against gay marriage. His reasoning: He wanted marriage to be between a man and a woman. He hopes that if we keep gays from marrying, they will decide to be straight and marry a girl instead. I facepalmed so hard I think I might have left a permanent mark on my forehead. edit: I can't spell. Same thing happens to me,and the reasons are almost the same,although this way around it's with girls becoming straight. And I facepalm so much whenever someone brings up the subject that I might have actually killed some of my brain. Another thing that bugs me a lot whenever I talk to my classmates is that they consider homosexuality as a solely sexual act.There is no love between same-sex people,just sex. And it makes me mad,because no other than the media is responsible for this opinion on homosexuality.
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pnla
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Post by pnla on Mar 11, 2010 18:52:19 GMT -5
Here's the thing, I am a christian. Now I'm sure you're all expecting a long Bible shoving post from me now explaining why gay marriage is a horrible thing, but let me say something that might surprise you: People who vote against gay marriage only on the stance that it's against the Bible are hate filled hypocrites. Ok so that was a bit stereo typical, but honestly, most people just hate gays and use religion as an excuse to do it openly. BUT NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT IT IS OK TO SPREAD HATE. In fact it says the exact opposite, many, many times. I believe in loving others no matter what there choices are, no matter how they treat you, and no matter what they believe. Because news flash religious organizations of the world, that was Jesus' message to the world, love others, PERIOD. That being said, though I do believe it is a sin, I don't believe it should be illegal, because living under God's law is a personal choice, and the only thing I'm entitled to shove down your throat is love.
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Post by zAkAtAk on Mar 11, 2010 23:32:50 GMT -5
boys just wanna have fun :3
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Post by chelseeyuh on Mar 12, 2010 3:50:08 GMT -5
This doesn't exactly have to do with gay marriage, but...
I do think people choose to be straight (in a sense). I think that it's normal for people to be bisexual, at least to a certain degree. But your society tells you you need to pick one, so people say they're straight to avoid social stigmatization. I heard that 70% of men in Italy consider themselves to be bisexual. Human nature doesn't vary by location, culture does. It just shows that people identify themselves based on what their culture accepts. The point of that was that you're probably not 100% straight, even if you don't like gay people. You need to realize that it is in your nature to be bisexual, so if you think it's a choice or it's unnatural, you're wrong.
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Post by zAkAtAk on Mar 12, 2010 9:12:14 GMT -5
We shouldn't be forced to love someone just for your convienience.
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Post by Rob on Mar 12, 2010 22:20:57 GMT -5
you know, I don't know about you, but I trust that when the people who set this government up put "in god" in the pledge and gave us freedom of religion, that they weren't being hypocrites, just saying. I know I'm a bit tardy to the party, and I know that what I'm about to say isn't 100% on topic, but I feel it's quite important to note here. The people who "set this government up" didn't have anything to do with the Pledge of Allegiance. The original version wasn't even written until 1892 (by Francis Bellamy). And the words "under God" weren't added until 1954 ( proof). Okay, now, on topic... there has been wonderful discussion here. I'm pro-gay marriage personally. I don't think a debate should even exist. Also, do you know that there are only 7 countries that have declared same-sex marriage legal nation-wide? Seems crazy, but you can check on it. For the curious, the 7 countries are Belgium, Canada, The Netherlands, Norway, South Africa, Spain, and Sweden.
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pnla
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Post by pnla on Mar 13, 2010 0:43:00 GMT -5
Not Japan? I was always led believe that they were more libra with stuff like that, go figure.
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Nakor
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Post by Nakor on Mar 13, 2010 1:01:32 GMT -5
Actually, Japan has a tendency to be incredibly conservative about such things. While you hear a lot about Japanese fetishes and so on being really common over there (and certainly the material at least seems to be) from a political perspective, and from the view of the age 30+ working community things are very conservative indeed.
There's every possibility that this will change as Japan's youth join the workplace and politics, but at the same time it may not; Japan has often forced its youth to adapt to the previous generation's methods and ettiquetes if they wanted to get and keep a worthwhile job. Only time will tell.
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Post by zAkAtAk on Mar 13, 2010 1:31:56 GMT -5
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