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Arizona
May 10, 2010 6:50:55 GMT -5
Post by Insane_Zang on May 10, 2010 6:50:55 GMT -5
No, I want to know about it, and I give a crap about it, but not enough to shut off my music, click the link, and spend time watching the video Then you don't give a crap about it. I do, but not that much :/
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kshults
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Arizona
May 10, 2010 15:16:52 GMT -5
Post by kshults on May 10, 2010 15:16:52 GMT -5
maybe the need for this law could be eliminated by requiring social security numbers in order to hold any job whatsoever, and to only subject street vendors to scrutiny?
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Arizona
May 10, 2010 21:01:26 GMT -5
Post by that1guy2 on May 10, 2010 21:01:26 GMT -5
Illegal immigration is a problem in the US, but the Arizona law is the worst possible way to handle it. Carrying around your papers may sound simple, but if you happen to forget them and are mexican, you are SOL. If you are white, however, you don't have a thing to worry about even if you do happen to be an illegal immigrant. This law is the biggest bullshit law that has been in the US since the Patriot Act. It should be repealed ASAP. As I said before, THIS law is fascism, not the Obama health care law. If we are to actually help the situation, it would be best to help improve the conditions in Mexico, so not as many people are desperate to come here illegally. There should also be a route for illegal immigrants to get citizenship, because most of them aren't criminals, they just want jobs. Plus this would actually HELP the US because they would become taxpayers.
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Arizona
May 11, 2010 14:56:37 GMT -5
Post by RandiKthxxx on May 11, 2010 14:56:37 GMT -5
Imagine if they allowed something like this for other laws. Shoplifting or robberies. I'd be so screwed =\
Glad it's not me
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Arizona
May 11, 2010 15:53:42 GMT -5
Post by Cortney on May 11, 2010 15:53:42 GMT -5
You could have done something wrong. You could be here illegally. They're checking to see if you're breaking the law This is...well, it makes no sense. Anybody COULD be doing something illegal. Somebody COULD be driving down the road with marijuana in their car, or a child they just kidnapped. Anybody could be breaking a law, and to scrutinize them because of their race or appearance is, as someone stated, a Nazi move. This is pretty much "Hey, we want you out of our country, so we're going to be a bitchy about it because we're too lazy to think of another way to handle this." I say everybody should carry their papers, or nobody. I'm white. I was born here. I'd carry papers that prove that if it'd stop these Mexicans and Mexican-looking people from being treated like SHIRT.
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Arizona
May 11, 2010 15:59:42 GMT -5
Post by Insane_Zang on May 11, 2010 15:59:42 GMT -5
We're not talking about all of that. We're talking about this one law and illegal immigrants.
You wanna think up something better? They're not really being treated like SHIRT imo. :/
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Arizona
May 11, 2010 17:12:34 GMT -5
Post by swan on May 11, 2010 17:12:34 GMT -5
You wanna think up something better? They're not really being treated like SHIRT imo. :/ The absence of a better idea doesn't make this law good. I mean I suppose the law can be justified if the illegal immigration problem in Arizona is truly severe, but I don't think it is. Of course I've never been to AZ so I don't know for sure, but it seems to me like this is a big reaction to a little problem (or a medium-sized problem). Either way I can't imagine that having your citizenship questioned by police is a particularly welcoming experience.
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Arizona
May 13, 2010 13:51:15 GMT -5
Post by DubiousKing on May 13, 2010 13:51:15 GMT -5
They could be an illegal immigrant, did we not go over this? So could a white person. There are illegal immigrants from Canada and Europe, as well, since a lot decide to stay even after their visas expire, which makes them an illegal immigrant. If you want to check people for proof of citizenship, check everyone or no one. There have been a good number of American citizens who have been detained under this law merely because they didn't have any citizenship papers on them at the time, which I personally view as a violation of their rights as a legal citizen.
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Arizona
May 13, 2010 17:20:58 GMT -5
Post by KipEnyan on May 13, 2010 17:20:58 GMT -5
I, for the most part, agree with everyone except... well, Zang.
How does the Nazi parallel not strike you? I mean, if those who are ignorant to history are doomed to repeat it, and this is a CLEAR throwback to Jewish persecution, how do you not see the Nazi-ism in Jan Brewer?
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Arizona
May 14, 2010 5:33:34 GMT -5
Post by Insane_Zang on May 14, 2010 5:33:34 GMT -5
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Arizona
May 14, 2010 9:51:50 GMT -5
Post by bagelz on May 14, 2010 9:51:50 GMT -5
I live in Arizona, but I haven't really seen much of it yet. One county sheriff actually opposes it and refuses to enforce it.
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kshults
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Arizona
May 14, 2010 14:44:19 GMT -5
Post by kshults on May 14, 2010 14:44:19 GMT -5
I, for the most part, agree with everyone except... well, Zang. How does the Nazi parallel not strike you? I mean, if those who are ignorant to history are doomed to repeat it, and this is a CLEAR throwback to Jewish persecution, how do you not see the Nazi-ism in Jan Brewer? While yes, they are similar, it's not as if we're throwing them into interment camps. We're not going to commit mass genocide of the mexican people because a few are here illegally. I hate it when people compare everything to Nazi germany. I heard a good point earlier about having the road to citizenship be easier for these illegals, and I agree with that. The law would no longer be necessary, we'd collect tax, and we'd have less people bitching about illegal immigrants.
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Arizona
May 14, 2010 18:17:17 GMT -5
Post by stephen5000 on May 14, 2010 18:17:17 GMT -5
This type of law opens the doors to just stopping someone for any trivial reason because they "might be a criminal". It is basically a fascist/police state measure.
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Arizona
May 14, 2010 18:33:18 GMT -5
Post by click3tyclick on May 14, 2010 18:33:18 GMT -5
Godwin's law
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Arizona
May 15, 2010 10:23:12 GMT -5
Post by KipEnyan on May 15, 2010 10:23:12 GMT -5
I, for the most part, agree with everyone except... well, Zang. How does the Nazi parallel not strike you? I mean, if those who are ignorant to history are doomed to repeat it, and this is a CLEAR throwback to Jewish persecution, how do you not see the Nazi-ism in Jan Brewer? While yes, they are similar, it's not as if we're throwing them into interment camps. We're not going to commit mass genocide of the mexican people because a few are here illegally. I hate it when people compare everything to Nazi germany. I heard a good point earlier about having the road to citizenship be easier for these illegals, and I agree with that. The law would no longer be necessary, we'd collect tax, and we'd have less people bitching about illegal immigrants. I didn't mean to overplay the Nazi parallel, I just wanted to make sure it's existence wasn't neglected. Obviously (I hope) we're not gonna start rounding up Mexicans for mass executions, but a law that enables racial profiling is never okay in and of itself. Until we have a condition that can ONLY occur in one race, and is prevalent with the VAST majority of that race, there's just no excuse. I agree with easier citizenship being a plausible solution. Personally, I think that a combination of a more secure border, and much more leniency on immigration requirements would put a rather effective stopper on the issue.
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Arizona
May 15, 2010 12:55:48 GMT -5
Post by RandiKthxxx on May 15, 2010 12:55:48 GMT -5
Easier citizenship would probably be a good idea if we didn't have a terrorism problem on our hands. Now I disagree with the Arizona law, but I don't think easier citizenship is the answer either.
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Arizona
May 16, 2010 12:50:00 GMT -5
Post by KipEnyan on May 16, 2010 12:50:00 GMT -5
What does terrorism have to do with citizenship? You think a terrorist CARES about getting naturalized before he blows up our country? Even if being a citizen would make his job mildly easier, a dedicated terrorist is gonna get in no matter what you do, so you might as well stop alienating (literally and figuratively) good people who want to get in in the process.
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Arizona
May 16, 2010 16:09:00 GMT -5
Post by RandiKthxxx on May 16, 2010 16:09:00 GMT -5
That's just like saying a dedicated criminal is gonna break in my house if they really want to so I might as well not lock my door at night. Of course someone's gonna get you if they really wanna get you, but that doesn't mean you should make it a cake walk for them to do it.
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Arizona
May 18, 2010 4:26:40 GMT -5
Post by Insane_Zang on May 18, 2010 4:26:40 GMT -5
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Arizona
May 19, 2010 1:22:32 GMT -5
Post by icarus on May 19, 2010 1:22:32 GMT -5
I feel that Arizona and this country should be doing something about illegal immigrants.
You know... ILLEGAL... They do certainly raise issues and have harmful ramifications.
But what Arizona is doing is simply the wrong way to go about it.
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