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Torture
May 19, 2010 15:00:20 GMT -5
Post by bratset on May 19, 2010 15:00:20 GMT -5
In my class: Politics and Human Rights, we had a discussion about torture today. Basically; Is it okay? What do you guys think?
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Torture
May 19, 2010 15:43:05 GMT -5
Post by Lex on May 19, 2010 15:43:05 GMT -5
No. Under no circumstances should anyone be tortured.
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Torture
May 19, 2010 15:59:16 GMT -5
Post by Trey on May 19, 2010 15:59:16 GMT -5
Torture, effective but wrong.
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Torture
May 19, 2010 19:02:46 GMT -5
Post by KipEnyan on May 19, 2010 19:02:46 GMT -5
Torture, effective but wrong. Even though you agree that it's wrong, which is a good thing, it's actually not even effective. It has been hard proven on numerous occasions that under the intense mental duress of torture, people often give false information in utterly convincing forms, just to get the torture to stop. It's where "Iraq has WMD's" came from.
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Torture
May 19, 2010 20:14:46 GMT -5
Post by Trey on May 19, 2010 20:14:46 GMT -5
Torture, effective but wrong. Even though you agree that it's wrong, which is a good thing, it's actually not even effective. It has been hard proven on numerous occasions that under the intense mental duress of torture, people often give false information in utterly convincing forms, just to get the torture to stop. It's where "Iraq has WMD's" came from. I hope you don't think I didn't consider that, lol. That's why the interrogators will continue to hold the prisoner while agents will either rule out or confirm the information. Regardless of its effectiveness, it should never be used as an interrogation tool.
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Torture
May 20, 2010 0:44:03 GMT -5
Post by icarus on May 20, 2010 0:44:03 GMT -5
Hmm... that's a really tough question.
You might say that if the nature of the information were important enough, that the end would justify the method.
But ultimately I have to concur that torture is never an acceptable method. It's purely inhumane, and has lasting psychological and physical effects that could destroy the lives of the victims.
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Torture
May 20, 2010 13:51:24 GMT -5
Post by Cortney on May 20, 2010 13:51:24 GMT -5
Not a fan of torture, personally. Although in complete honesty it depends on the situation. If torturing one person could save thousands, is it necessary then? Is it okay then?
I'm inclined to say no, but when you really step back and look at the situation as a whole (throwing out all that emotion nonsense and using your logic) it would be the proper course of action.
Of course, this typically isn't the case. Pardon me for making a generalization, but Imma have to say no.
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Torture
May 20, 2010 22:55:53 GMT -5
Post by stephen5000 on May 20, 2010 22:55:53 GMT -5
If you agree that people are born with inalienable human rights, then torture is wrong.
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Torture
May 21, 2010 21:58:50 GMT -5
Post by thequirkyduo on May 21, 2010 21:58:50 GMT -5
No! Torture is not okay, by ANY means. I don't think torture should even be a debatable topic. It is a disgusting violation of human rights and is generally against the law in any circumstances outside of government prison facilities. The supreme court has ruled since the 1890s that torture as a form of punishment is illegal (8th amendment). Torture is a cruel and unusual punishment and should not be tolerated. In the instances when you REALLY need information from some one, the lines tend to get a little blurred but I for one, still stand firmly planted on the no-torture side. There are always other ways. And the ends DO NOT justify the means, especially when another human life is at stake.
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Torture
May 23, 2010 12:14:49 GMT -5
Post by KipEnyan on May 23, 2010 12:14:49 GMT -5
Like I said before, the "Millions will die without this information, do we torture them?" argument isn't even that valid, because a LARGE sum of everything gained from torture is bullshit. If someone has to be subjected to insane amounts of torture for information, they'll bullshit you until they die, because you'll stop torturing them either way. Often times they don't even have a choice, people just inherently do whatever they think will make the pain stop, which is in the vast majority of cases, a quick lie.
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Torture
May 23, 2010 18:35:49 GMT -5
Post by NormanTheOne on May 23, 2010 18:35:49 GMT -5
Cases of invalid information in my opinion usually comes when a yes/no question is being asked and saying one will free you. For more open questions, when pressure is applied it is a lot more difficult to make a false answer and instead giving in to telling the truth, which is an information already implanted in the brain. As to the original question, I think torture is by no means ethical or right, but using it against somebody who has information that could potentially save lives seems more than adequate. To add also, in my opinion torture should only be physical, because the potential damage of mental torture is scary.
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Torture
May 23, 2010 19:20:42 GMT -5
Post by Lex on May 23, 2010 19:20:42 GMT -5
Cases of invalid information in my opinion usually comes when a yes/no question is being asked and saying one will free you. For more open questions, when pressure is applied it is a lot more difficult to make a false answer and instead giving in to telling the truth, which is an information already implanted in the brain. As to the original question, I think torture is by no means ethical or right, but using it against somebody who has information that could potentially save lives seems more than adequate. To add also, in my opinion torture should only be physical, because the potential damage of mental torture is scary. I highly disagree. Under no circumstances should torture be permitted. And if one was somehow forced to torture another, the usage of mental torture/psychological torture without violence is much more ethical.
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Torture
May 24, 2010 11:26:44 GMT -5
Post by Kevak on May 24, 2010 11:26:44 GMT -5
I think no way. The physical and mental marks that it leaves on a human can be there for the rest of his/her life. It's just wrong.
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Torture
May 24, 2010 12:54:33 GMT -5
Post by richie on May 24, 2010 12:54:33 GMT -5
In cases where it will save one or more ives. Yes Yes yes. But only if it would be effective (i.e: If the information given is not bullshit and coudl actually save lives)
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Torture
May 24, 2010 16:56:37 GMT -5
Post by Jake on May 24, 2010 16:56:37 GMT -5
I saw a BBC News article about how Chinese police used physiological torture on a guy who confessed to a crime and was put in jail for years. They then found out years later that he was actually innocent and was just scared into making lies.
However, as Richie says - if it comes down to a very large amount of lives and it's going to be effective, then yes.
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Torture
May 26, 2010 16:40:19 GMT -5
Post by KipEnyan on May 26, 2010 16:40:19 GMT -5
All of the people who are saying "If the person might have information that could save a bunch of lives, then yes, torture them." are kind of scaring me. That kind of Machiavellianism has always discomforted me to an extent.
To me, sacrificing the lives of 10 people to save 100 is never okay, because since life is never in black and white, to torture or kill someone (And don't kid yourselves, people die from torture) to save someone else is just taking the irresponsible, unethical, immoral, and cruel way out. There's always a better way than torture.
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May 27, 2010 18:17:27 GMT -5
Post by jaw on May 27, 2010 18:17:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree. Torture is extremely inhumane. Torture should never be used, no matter what the circumstance. I remember reading a story where this guy was water-boarded 127 times, was innocent, AND didn't belong to any terrorist group. He kept giving out bullshit or no information just so that they would stop.
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Torture
May 27, 2010 18:46:20 GMT -5
Post by Helmet on May 27, 2010 18:46:20 GMT -5
I don't think that physically harming someone as torture should be allowed (Sorry Sayid), but mental torture should. I know that's WAAAAY more messed up than putting a drill into someone's hand, but all torturee's go out with all limbs attached.
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Torture
May 27, 2010 19:06:38 GMT -5
Post by jaw on May 27, 2010 19:06:38 GMT -5
Why? If you torture them mentally aren't they more likely to go insane and then you will never get any information?
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Torture
May 30, 2010 17:09:42 GMT -5
Post by KipEnyan on May 30, 2010 17:09:42 GMT -5
Psychological torture is both the crueler and less effective form of torture. It is a natural response to blurt out whatever you can to get physical pain to stop. Not so much with mental distress.
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