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Post by mhart29 on Jun 9, 2010 20:23:50 GMT -5
Does a learing disability make a person stupid. Well of coarse ill say no because i have dyslexia.
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Post by KipEnyan on Jun 9, 2010 20:27:00 GMT -5
Well, it depends on your definition of stupid, as well as the specific disability. Dyslexia doesn't impair your ability to process knowledge, only the ability to initially translate that knowledge from light waves to information (as I understand it, at least).
So no, I wouldn't say a dyslexic is inherently "stupid".
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Post by metallica210 on Jun 9, 2010 20:55:25 GMT -5
being stupid is not being able to comprehend information after it is recieeved . i don't think dyslexia is a "stupid" learning disability.
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Post by rcn927 on Jun 9, 2010 21:06:40 GMT -5
Depends on what stupid means.
But to give an answer, definitely not always because people with Asperger's Syndrome, which is sort of similar to a mild form of Autism, are often times actually really smart. I'd say that stupidity isn't a part of learning disabilities themselves, but it's a prevalent side effect. If dyslexic people can get information verbally, they can be smart. If a retard is unable to remember any information learned in school, they will be stupid, not solely because they are retarded, because their retardation impairs them so that they can't be not stupid
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Post by Lex on Jun 9, 2010 21:10:16 GMT -5
My parents say I probably have mild Asperger's (not diagnosed, of course). However, I have been diagnosed with ADHD, which is considered a learning disability. I've never heard people call me stupid for that.
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Post by j on Jun 9, 2010 21:41:49 GMT -5
Learning disabilities do not, in themselves, make people stupid. People tend to be stupid of their own choice, choosing to use their disability as a reason to stay that way. I know several people with learning disabilities and they each have their own way of working around it, even if it would take longer for them to learn the information than a "normal" person.
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Post by rialvestro on Jun 9, 2010 21:57:56 GMT -5
Well my brother was diagnosed with ADHD however I believe he may have other problems because I have never met any other person with the same dissorder who was incapable of learning. To give an example, this is not an exadgeration to make fun of him or anyone but it did take my brother over 20 years just to learn how to spell his own name. (Richard) I've had trouble spelling his name as well, took till the sixth grade to learn it but to be fair I don't need to right my brother's name that often.
I'm offten very suprised when people point out their learning dissabilities because in most cases they actually seem average not stupid at all. I think most people actually learn to deal with their dissabilities fairly well. Very few people get to the point where they can't learn at all.
Oddly some times I tend to think the kids in normal classes are less inteligent then the special ed kids. They might absorb the information faster but if they don't use it what's the point of learning it?
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Post by j on Jun 9, 2010 22:19:40 GMT -5
Well my brother was diagnosed with ADHD however I believe he may have other problems because I have never met any other person with the same dissorder who was incapable of learning. To give an example, this is not an exadgeration to make fun of him or anyone but it did take my brother over 20 years just to learn how to spell his own name. (Richard) I've had trouble spelling his name as well, took till the sixth grade to learn it but to be fair I don't need to right my brother's name that often. Yeah, I would say that there are other issues that prevent your brother from learning, not just ADHD. ADHD would not cause a learning curve that huge by itself. And to clarify, when I say learning disabilities, I mean things like ADHD and dyslexia.
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Post by krzych32 on Jun 9, 2010 22:35:17 GMT -5
Well, it depends on your definition of stupid, as well as the specific disability. Dyslexia doesn't impair your ability to process knowledge, only the ability to initially translate that knowledge from light waves to information (as I understand it, at least). So no, I wouldn't say a dyslexic is inherently "stupid". Light waves? Are you from a different planet or something?
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Post by j on Jun 9, 2010 22:47:14 GMT -5
Well, it depends on your definition of stupid, as well as the specific disability. Dyslexia doesn't impair your ability to process knowledge, only the ability to initially translate that knowledge from light waves to information (as I understand it, at least). So no, I wouldn't say a dyslexic is inherently "stupid". Light waves? Are you from a different planet or something? That is how we see things you know. Light bounces off objects and our brain processes them into objects and color.
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Post by mhart29 on Jun 9, 2010 23:57:00 GMT -5
Well dyslexia is in many catagories i have ADD which is part of it but is more specific not as broad and not always with it.
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Post by krzych32 on Jun 10, 2010 0:39:46 GMT -5
Light waves? Are you from a different planet or something? That is how we see things you know. Light bounces off objects and our brain processes them into objects and color. But if the statement above was true, you would get problems with vision, not a mental disability. I am no doctor, but I always assumed that it had to do something with brain neurons not working properly.
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Post by rialvestro on Jun 10, 2010 1:25:37 GMT -5
There seems to be some confusion as to what dyslexia is. It simply means that it's difficult for a person to differentiate between sertain letters and numbers which are simular to eachother. E M W 3 could all look alike to a dyslexic person or more commonly d b p 9. So if you were dyslexic this paragraph might look something like this...
There seews fo de sowe coutnsiou as fo whaf byslexia is. If siw9ly weaus fhaf if's bitticnlf tor a 9ersou fo bittereufiafe defmeeu serfaiu leffers aub umwders mhich are siwnlar fo eachofher. 3 W M E conlb all look alike fo a byslexic 9ersou or wore cowwouly b d 9 p. So if yon mere byslexic fhis paragraph wighf look sowethiug like fhis...
If you're not dyslexic it'll be easy for you to notice how gawd awful that second paragraph was but for someone who is dyslexic that might be how the first paragraph looks to them. You can see why it makes reading difficult when letters and numbers are a jumbled mess like that.
And to clarify that wasn't ment to be insulting to anyone who is dyslexic that's actually how dyslexia was explained to me by a friend who has it. The first time I heard about it was from someone who had it and when I asked what that ment that's how he explained it to me.
It's kinda like being disoriented where you know the difference between left and right but you can't see which direction you're heading.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 14:16:57 GMT -5
I really like your friend's explanation. One of my best friends is dyslexic as well and he's having a really hard time with it. He's trying to study Japanese (so am I) at university, but due to his dyslexia that's really hard to him. While he's got the memory of an elephant, so he would be able to learn it...
So, I don't think any learning disorder can render you stupid, as learning disorders are things that interfere with you taking in certain types of information. Dyslexia => written material. Speech is no problem for them. There's also people who are really bad at logical stuff, just can't comprehend it, but can understand how a person feels immediately and the other way around.
You're only stupid IMO if you have all the means to learn something, but don't understand it. That means your mental capacity can't handle the information.
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Post by The Monster on Jun 10, 2010 14:24:27 GMT -5
No, I believe having a learning disability just means you learn differently from others. Current examples of this can be seen through various programs which help people with a disability to manage their everyday lives (school, work etc..) i.e. Kurzweil (program that reads to you) and Dragon Naturally speaking (program which types orally). Furthermore, with the invention of these along with other technologies I believe learning disabled children are just like everyone else, except that they learn differently. I have plenty of friends who use these programs and are just as intelligent (if not more) than other people. Here are some examples of some prestigious people which have/had learning disabilities www.increasebrainpower.com/famouspeoplewithlearningdisabilities.htmlSome of those people are: Motzart, Einstein, Tom cruise and Thomas Edison.
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Post by KipEnyan on Jun 10, 2010 14:59:55 GMT -5
Yeah, things like ADHD are just a matter of getting your focus/motivation in check.
I have pretty significant ADHD and I have an IQ of 142 and recently got a 2040 on my SATs.
Learning disabilities like Dyslexia and ADHD are more like... learning inconveniences. They just make getting the SHIRT into your head much more difficult, but they don't actually affect what you do with it once it's there.
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Post by rialvestro on Jun 10, 2010 15:37:25 GMT -5
Well even normal people all learn differently. Some people could learn alot from reading and communication. I on the other hand learn better by watching and doing.
For example if you're giving me direction I understand what you're saying but I have to actually see a map, I can't take direction by street names alone.
If you ask me to do something I've never done before I need to see you do it first before I can.
I actually learned how to use a computer by randomly playing with bottons to find out what everything did and that's what I do with any new program. I could read the manual but I get bored just doing what the manual says. BTW I'm mainly refering to paint and photoshop type programs. I like to skip to the more creative projects then just working on the learning the program projects suggested in the manuals.
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Post by Johncoyne on Jun 10, 2010 16:24:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that learning disabilities mean that someone is stupid. However, the diagnosis of learning disabilities has a potential to make someone try less. For example, my mom works with little kids a lot. She's an elementary art teacher. She teaches 5-10 year olds.
Apparently, "scientists" have made up learning disabilities for everything imaginable. Most of the "learning disabilities" are the result of bad parenting. My mom was telling me about something called "Insubordination Disorder" (or something along those lines). The disorder is virtually just an excuse for parents.
When my mom has conferences with the parents of the kids with the "disorders", the parents say, "Well, my child has an excuse. Susie has ___________________ disorder which means that ___________________ so you should stop yelling at her for ________________ because she can't help it. She has ________________."
I have some medical problems. These problems required a lot of will power from the person affected to get over. I got over them (mostly). I didn't need an excuse. Why is it that all of a sudden, kids need excuses?
Now, things like autism, dyslexia, and mental retardation are actual, solid disorders that can be proven. Pretty soon there'll be a "Creative Disorder" and a "Athletic Disorder" and a "Procrastinator Disorder". I can smell it.
So, disorders don't deem people as stupid. However, some diagnoses have the potential to limit people. (Methinks there's a TED talk about this somewhere.)
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Post by The Monster on Jun 10, 2010 22:18:02 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that learning disabilities mean that someone is stupid. However, the diagnosis of learning disabilities has a potential to make someone try less. For example, my mom works with little kids a lot. She's an elementary art teacher. She teaches 5-10 year olds. Apparently, "scientists" have made up learning disabilities for everything imaginable. Most of the "learning disabilities" are the result of bad parenting. My mom was telling me about something called "Insubordination Disorder" (or something along those lines). The disorder is virtually just an excuse for parents. When my mom has conferences with the parents of the kids with the "disorders", the parents say, "Well, my child has an excuse. Susie has ___________________ disorder which means that ___________________ so you should stop yelling at her for ________________ because she can't help it. She has ________________." I have some medical problems. These problems required a lot of will power from the person affected to get over. I got over them (mostly). I didn't need an excuse. Why is it that all of a sudden, kids need excuses? Now, things like autism, dyslexia, and mental retardation are actual, solid disorders that can be proven. Pretty soon there'll be a "Creative Disorder" and a "Athletic Disorder" and a "Procrastinator Disorder". I can smell it. So, disorders don't deem people as stupid. However, some diagnoses have the potential to limit people. (Methinks there's a TED talk about this somewhere.) I understand your argument, although when I was tested for ADD and it seemed quite professional on my part. Although I was tested at a university so I don't know if it's the same for children. Anyways, I found it to be a beneficial experience in understanding my disability, but it's depends where you go I guess.
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Post by krzych32 on Jun 10, 2010 22:57:08 GMT -5
Hold on, how come like half the people have ADD or something like that on this forum?
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