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Post by NormanTheOne on Jun 18, 2010 7:04:39 GMT -5
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Post by Joey on Jun 18, 2010 9:30:18 GMT -5
I see where he's comming from. But I don't like how he makes it seem as if god made Jesus die. Jesus is god, and he willingly died for our sins, so yes it was painful, but this dude was twisting the basic concepts of Christianity. Christ said "farther forgive them they know not what they do" to the people who were KILLING him! No sin is unforgivable, and christ shows us that. If his murders can be forgiven for killing God, I hope that our God loves us enough that he forgives us for letting his holy name slip out our tounges.
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Post by jaw on Jun 18, 2010 9:34:57 GMT -5
I also hate how this guy makes it seem like he is perfect "When you are in hell you will think 'He was right!'" Why is he perfect and not going to hell, while we are?
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Post by Philosoraptor on Jun 18, 2010 9:57:05 GMT -5
So yeah, this guy's kind of nuts.
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Post by NormanTheOne on Jun 18, 2010 11:04:32 GMT -5
But he comes across excellent points, for example the movies and music. It seems impossible to let go of these things as I am finding out today.
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Post by click3tyclick on Jun 18, 2010 11:24:48 GMT -5
No, Allah's God. What made you think that? |
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Post by icarus on Jun 18, 2010 11:58:25 GMT -5
No, Allah's God. What made you think that? I thought Dan Brown was God... |
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Post by Lex on Jun 18, 2010 12:17:20 GMT -5
This video didn't do anything for me. It just reminded me that there are still crazy people in this world.
You're falling into his trap. He plays on your emotions and tries to put you onto a guilt trip by pulling little strings that make you go "okay, that fits", but in the end it really doesn't. The only sob story is the fact that this guy thinks people will listen to him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2010 13:29:35 GMT -5
No, Allah's God. What made you think that? I thought Dan Brown was God... he is, it's all written down here. There's no proof that this isn't true! And I mean, it's written down, we have to believe this |
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Post by Ryan on Jun 18, 2010 13:42:33 GMT -5
I don't know what every person in this tribe is like. I do not know if the acts in which this person preaches against, can be found in any of the members here, and thus - this may not apply to those on here that listen to it.
But I do know what the people who live around me are like. I do know many of my peers who are EXACTLY like the 'church-people' this man is preaching to. I do know that many of these people are some of the worst people I know. They are ignorant, hateful, disrespectful, unjust, and rude. These people hide behind a wall of religion, and use it as an excuse to do terrible things. I also know people who are religious who live a Christ-like life, and these people also hide behind a wall of religion, but they instead of using it as a sword, use it as a shield while they spread the work of the one they believe as their savior.
So, do not dismiss what this man preaches against. Do not be as ignorant as the people he preaches to. This man, while very overzealous and over-dramatic, makes an excellent point to the people whom he is preaching to. He isn't saying that everyone is going to hell, he's saying that just because you profess Jesus as your savior, doesn't mean you are exempt from sin - you still have to live a Christ-like life, if you truly wish to be forgiven for those sins that you have committed. He doesn't believe that he's going to heaven either, he's not sure where he'll end up, but he's going to try to live as Christ-like as he can, to prevent the fate that he foresees many others having.
Yeah, he might be mostly crazy - but he's also mostly right, PDBAZ.
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Post by Lex on Jun 18, 2010 14:58:57 GMT -5
Harping on other people like this isn't very Christ-like.
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Post by Joey on Jun 18, 2010 15:20:16 GMT -5
Harping on other people like this isn't very Christ-like. agreed. Listen, have you ever watched theblueofficechair? Him and Dan got into a debate, adn he was respectful and awesome throughout. If this guy were like that, then I'd probably take him more seriously. But he is like "YOURE ALL GOING TO HELL!!!!" and really, the three cardinal virtues are faith, HOPE, and love. This guys making it sound like Christ died for the only select group of people, and you can't be forgiven more than once. I take out of this that I should always strive to live like Christ, and it's gonna be one huge struggle, but I'll try. And if I try and it's not enough, then it is what it is. But I'm not gonna try to sit back and say I'm saved because I'm catholic. You gotta meet God halfway. |
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Post by NormanTheOne on Jun 18, 2010 15:30:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the discussion guys, it really helps to get such opinions.
Alex, you seem to be deny anything he says just because he is dramatic over it. As for guilt tripping and such it might be true but he does raise good points that are totally ignored.
Also, I would appreciate if there was no blasphemy in this thread, it really is disrespectful.
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Post by Lex on Jun 18, 2010 15:34:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the discussion guys, it really helps to get such opinions. Alex, you seem to be deny anything he says just because he is dramatic over it. As for guilt tripping and such it might be true but he does raise good points that are totally ignored. Also, I would appreciate if there was no blasphemy in this thread, it really is disrespectful. I fail to see any good points other than he's pointing out the obvious. Yes, there are Christians who are still bad people, but that isn't his concern, is it? If he decides to put his nose into their business and also claim that there's only one type of true Christian, then his argument is fallacious and useless.\ Also, there is no 'blasphemy' in this thread. And even if there was, there's nothing you can do about it because not everyone is Christian. |
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Post by Philosoraptor on Jun 18, 2010 15:47:57 GMT -5
What points? I must have missed them.
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Post by NormanTheOne on Jun 18, 2010 16:07:24 GMT -5
I thought Dan Brown was God... That's not blasphemy at all. His emphasis on people enjoying movies and music that pronounce curse words and/or fornication and etc. was a good point I was unaware of. As well as that, the part in which he mentions that we should mirror Jesus as much as is possible was a good point for me. |
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Post by Lex on Jun 18, 2010 16:22:08 GMT -5
I thought Dan Brown was God... That's not blasphemy at all. His emphasis on people enjoying movies and music that pronounce curse words and/or fornication and etc. was a good point I was unaware of. As well as that, the part in which he mentions that we should mirror Jesus as much as is possible was a good point for me. No. It's not blasphemy. It's called an inside joke from another thread on these forums. If you get offended that easy, then get off the internet. I might as well say that saying the word "soap" is considered blasphemous to my religion. Does this mean that I should order people to stop saying it? HELL no. If you think it's blasphemy, then that's your call. That's what you're missing here: direct your own life, not anyone else's. And I think the best way to mirror Jesus is to stop condemning people. The best Christians I have seen are NOT the ones who are self-righteous, but instead the ones who constantly doubt. |
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Post by Philosoraptor on Jun 18, 2010 17:35:27 GMT -5
His rant about what kinds of entertainment people can and cannot enjoy is utterly bollocks. The fact that he's yelling and sobbing about it just make it all the more ridiculous.
I'm really kind of sorry for him, though. You can tell it's totally overrun his life.
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Post by Joey on Jun 18, 2010 22:33:47 GMT -5
That's not blasphemy at all. His emphasis on people enjoying movies and music that pronounce curse words and/or fornication and etc. was a good point I was unaware of. As well as that, the part in which he mentions that we should mirror Jesus as much as is possible was a good point for me. No. It's not blasphemy. It's called an inside joke from another thread on these forums. If you get offended that easy, then get off the internet. I might as well say that saying the word "soap" is considered blasphemous to my religion. Does this mean that I should order people to stop saying it? HELL no. If you think it's blasphemy, then that's your call. That's what you're missing here: direct your own life, not anyone else's. And I think the best way to mirror Jesus is to stop condemning people. The best Christians I have seen are NOT the ones who are self-righteous, but instead the ones who constantly doubt. not doubt, but question. There is a difference. You can question and think freely without doubting(okay you have to just enough to look from a free mind) |
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Post by jeb on Jun 20, 2010 21:12:36 GMT -5
While I do disagree with the way he interpreted the story of the crucifixion,
For the sake of this debate:
I personally have been thinking on the scripture "Be in the world but not of it."
This made me feel comfortable watching secular movies but at the same time, I felt it
a little wrong to say my favourite movies contain things I wouldn't repeat myself.
Now don't get me wrong none of my favourites are my favourites for wrong reasons.
My favourite entertainment has a powerful message that I feel overrides the wrong in them.
It's like this: In my eyes, I would never reject and close out my friends who are secular just
because the things they do are what i see as wrong. Perhaps what I get out of their friendship
will be a substantial message. This is what I gather from the words "Be in it, not of it"
This video made me think even more.
From a Christian perspective, would you see it as right or wrong to enjoy secular entertainment
if it means you know it's full of cursing and foul words?
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