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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 14, 2010 22:01:11 GMT -5
/me gets down on one knee...
will you marry me Stephanie?
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Post by theeverbored on Jul 14, 2010 22:10:34 GMT -5
name the date--church or tent?
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Post by Insane_Zang on Jul 14, 2010 22:37:11 GMT -5
/me plays the wedding march
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Post by Danielle on Jul 14, 2010 22:43:18 GMT -5
Oh Dan, our all righteous leader...
Dan can direct people here, but just promoting a link isn't going to make people want to stay.
It's quite obvious that people don't want this to be "Dan's forum," so stop bitching that he's not pulling through as a leader when the general populous wants this forum to be member governed.
If YOU want people to stay then YOU do something to make them stay. Dan made this community to promote viewer-viewer interaction, not for people to be lead by him.
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 14, 2010 22:46:21 GMT -5
every community needs a leader. there is a difference between not wanting to be a fan club, and wanting to be led. we're trying, we are doing something, but it's difficult without a single unifying force. its difficult with central authority of some kind.
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 14, 2010 23:04:03 GMT -5
by the wya, im getting used to the fact that dan has left...and i AM working on something else...
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Post by Dan Brown on Jul 14, 2010 23:07:15 GMT -5
Can of worms has been opened. Let's try to have a respectful discussion here and leave with as few hurt feelings/shattered egos as possible. A few points:
I love the moon, but I'm not its leader-- not right now anyway. The true leaders are those who are active in the community. I was active in getting the moon started but it's always been my goal for the moon to eventually be able to function independent of me. Frankly, I'm busy these days (buying a house, coordinating Dan 3.0 details, VidCon, etc.) and the fact that I haven't been on the moon for a few weeks isn't out of a lack of love for you-- it's out of a lack of time for you. Under the tribal leadership model, leaders naturally emerge as new community projects naturally emerge. I will most certainly allow myself to be held accountable for the success of any specific projects I start, but to get all up in arms over a lull in my SPOTM activity during what has been one of the busiest months of my life is a bit uncalled for.
I'm not perfect. I'm learning here too. If you have constructive criticisms I'm happy to hear them, but let's avoid striking such a divisive tone.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 14, 2010 23:17:29 GMT -5
Everything would be fine if Asher would just listen to me  Yes, that's all I have to contribute to this conversation. Have a nice day. Good bye. |
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Post by snow11 on Jul 14, 2010 23:21:33 GMT -5
someone who ain't me did this ---> *cough cough* "*****" *cough cough*WARNING IF YOU GET OFFENDED DONT OPEN SPOILER |
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Post by theeverbored on Jul 14, 2010 23:39:41 GMT -5
Dan, I apologize and will tone it down.
It's understandable that you would grow out of your role as a leader a forum much more so considering your new project but what would be advisable is that you ellect someone in your place who as vision for the tribe. There are plenty of people here at world-changing disposal but it's useless without organization. While the admins are really trying, and not doing a bad job, "leader" isn't exactly in the job app. for admin. Admins keep the peace which is necessary, but a leader is someone who runs things on the offensive not the defensive.
I'm not going to lecture you about leading seeing as you probably know a lot about that....
I guess most importantly I'm puzzled as to what you were hoping for with the forum to begin with. Why would you make some big experiment and, seeing that it kinda worked, move on? Why would you try to succeed in something and then move on to something different entirely. I understand if you had a change of interests but from what you're saying you seem to think that Dan 3.0 is somehow a progression in community. I don't see how that is.
Could you please explain what SPOTM does to benefit Dan 3.0?
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Post by simsimaz2 on Jul 14, 2010 23:40:04 GMT -5
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 14, 2010 23:41:34 GMT -5
OK...I'll tone it down a bit. I suppose i owe you that for starting SPOTM. Here's the thing. You technically are. TECHNICALLY. What i mean to say is, assuming you DID decide to return, and assume a leadership position, a position of authority, you would be accepted back. Such is the nature of a tribal leader i believe... There are always natural leaders that emerge in any community. The problem however, lies in the fact that while these natural leaders may be able to rally a GROUP, or motivate a GROUP, or get SOME part of the community to follow them, they essentially have no authority to say "ok guys! THIS is what we're doing! THIS is what we will be focusing on". They cannot step into a situation and say HEY! FOCUS! LETS GET BACK ON TRACK. They can definitely try, and they do try. However they do not command the authority necessary to get people back on track. They can suggest it, but it essentially has no teeth. I do not mean to say that authority means "get out the banhammer at the first sign of dissent". I mean authority in terms of being a universally accepted leader who everyone WILL listen to. Not that there will never be dissent, but a single person who the community trusts to make decisions for them. Naturally emerging leaders are fine...but generally not for that. Do you have time in your day to eat? Do you have time in your day to sleep? Do you have time in your day to go to the bathroom? To be honest, we are your responsibility, and as I see it, it is simply irresponsible to structure your day, or general schedule in such a way that would force you to shirk one of your responsibilities. I can understand that you want to have a life, and that you don't want to be an "internet person" so to speak, but this is more than one person being active on a forum. You are not just a member. You are the creator of this forum. You have responsibilities to it. Addressed above. Maybe the presentation of my contentions WAS a bit harsh. Let me put it this way. SPOTM IS a project you started. As such, you are directly accountable for it. I understand you may be a bit overwhelmed by the magnitude of this project, however you started it, it is expected of you to finish it. You have essentially made it clear that you will not be returning here in a leadership role. I can understand this, and move on. I simply want you to understand why we are upset. I want you to understand where we believe you erred. I want you to understand that what you do does indeed affect us as a community. There is nothing we can do to force you to stay. However it would be nice if you reconsidered. I had many people tweet a link at you...link provided here... bit.ly/ckYxGC please read it in your spare time, a few of us think it is important for you to see. We will be moving forward in terms of forum and community. Tonight a few of us will be working on what we call "the state of the tribe". Essentially what it will be is an assessment of where we stand now that you are officially leaving. We will also lay out several of forum leadership we see as viable. I suggest you read that thread when it is posted. You may be leaving as our leader, but you should still keep track of where we are going. You may find that one day...perhaps in a year...that you want to rejoin, and take up your old position. Being informed as to the going ons on this forum would be a plus. As i said, there is nothing stopping you from leaving. we will move on. We will take what you have taught us, and build on it. You have indeed taught us much, and shown us how we can achieve our goals. You brought us together. I have made very good friends that I would have never met were it not for SPOTM. I suppose we have reached, (Cornelius...sorry there had to be a HP reference somewhere in this post...) a parting of the ways. It's been a pleasure knowing you past Dan the youtuber. It's been quite an experience. If you must leave, then I suppose this is goodbye, so goodbye Dan, good luck with your future endeavours. or more specifically, how does SPOTM benefit from Dan 3.0? |
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Post by newschooled on Jul 15, 2010 1:06:24 GMT -5
In response to Dan's mention of starting SPOTM as an 'experiment' of sorts, to see how WE would interact with each other...(Constructively speaking)...It was really kind of a question that we already knew the answer to. That is, you put people together, they interact. Natural leaders emerge. Thing is, we already know all this. Don't get me wrong, the moon is awesome and I'm glad it's here.
But I think as an experiment, it is flawed because success was inevitable in context. The flaw was that a famous person started it. As far as new media is concerned, Dan has the midas touch. Anything he even mutters in his sleep will become an instant sensation, good or bad. Why? Cuz Dan's got so many followers, straight up. So OFCOURSE if he starts a forum and plugs it, it's pretty much "If you build it, they will come!" And what's left to do then? Interact. Some leaders emerge, and some are assigned. No biggie, we can observe this time and time again throughout history and nature.
I probably don't have much of a point, just thinking out loud.
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Post by amandaftw on Jul 15, 2010 1:30:30 GMT -5
Oh... I was going to come here and post my idea. Haha, You beat me to the punch. Thank you for thinking my idea's important enough for that  |
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Post by Rogers91 on Jul 15, 2010 1:37:03 GMT -5
I belive the true thing to be seen from the moon here or at least what i belive most interesting. is that dan a common nobody in real life at the time but with a fan following online of several thousand was trying to see if this youtube star dome was as realistic as being in hollywood makeing movies for the world to see... in this experiment dan showed and is still showing that you dont have to be leonard nimoy or leonardo dicaprio to make a community and have it prosper and that the internet is real... i mean if i had thousands of fans on youtube but still lived in my parents basement i would wonder if this internet thing was acctualy something or if i was just the next big thing due to disapear as soon as it started...
so dan did it heck i watched from afar the wiki and pogobat tribe emerge from nothing. it was kind of cool to see people around the world comeing together under one name and creating a community...
and remember dan will eventualy leave us it is the way of the world... will we leave each other once he is gone.. or will we continue stornger than before...
ohh well im in a yell at the guy who just droped a jar of pickles on aisle 9 kind of mood...
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Post by Rogers91 on Jul 15, 2010 1:47:38 GMT -5
ohhh also about Dans 3.0... if we incorporate what the pogo tribes ideas and goals are into Dans life ergo his existence.. we would be making Dan do what i can only think of as amazing things... "donate 40% of your next pay check to an orphanage"
"start a cause to change the world" "make a homeless guy in your town smile and have a conversation with him/her..." and so on.. we could make Dan do things that could be truly amazing and help the world... or we could make him drink out of the toilet.. either way we have control of a man who is diligent enough to do what we say and he has a small amount of fame that give him some pull in the world as we know it.. so lets see where we can take Dan for this upcoming year... heck Maby we will all meet up august 2nd of next year to congratulate Dan on his hopefully great achievements.. hell maby we will all do something to change the world with dan... who knows but i know one thing its up to us... and all his other fans not on the moon...
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Post by theeverbored on Jul 15, 2010 2:21:01 GMT -5
I do get what you mean about Dan's project being really cool and helping the world, but I dislike the way of "making him" do these things. I assume that Dan already wants to do these things but yet it's something he must obey as we the people decide.
I seems very counter to the way Dan has created SPOTM which began through videos about a guy who had stuff to say. He started speaking his mind and that inspired others, so how will it work when his opinions are taken out of the equation?
While a youtube channel dedicated to a guy helping to change the world is fine I think 3000 forum members and 250,000 youtube views could enact more then just one guy doing good, that is to say a simple triad could hand out 3 sandwiches to 3 homeless people and Dan can only do so much.
It's just some food for thought.
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Post by Breepop on Jul 15, 2010 4:26:20 GMT -5
lol @ people getting butthurt when Dan notices the very thing everyone has been complaining about for the past week. Stay classy, SPOTM.  |
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 15, 2010 6:06:47 GMT -5
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Post by BestUsernameEvar on Jul 15, 2010 7:01:52 GMT -5
Can of worms has been opened. Let's try to have a respectful discussion here and leave with as few hurt feelings/shattered egos as possible. A few points: I love the moon, but I'm not its leader-- not right now anyway. The true leaders are those who are active in the community. I was active in getting the moon started but it's always been my goal for the moon to eventually be able to function independent of me. Frankly, I'm busy these days (buying a house, coordinating Dan 3.0 details, VidCon, etc.) and the fact that I haven't been on the moon for a few weeks isn't out of a lack of love for you-- it's out of a lack of time for you. Under the tribal leadership model, leaders naturally emerge as new community projects naturally emerge. I will most certainly allow myself to be held accountable for the success of any specific projects I start, but to get all up in arms over a lull in my SPOTM activity during what has been one of the busiest months of my life is a bit uncalled for. I'm not perfect. I'm learning here too. If you have constructive criticisms I'm happy to hear them, but let's avoid striking such a divisive tone. ================ !!!SPAM ALERT!!! ================== Yea i know. I AM THE LEADER OF SPOTM.kind of...not really.....nvm. P.S. Steph, nice angry face. ================ !!!SPAM ALERT!!! ================== |
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