mØnti
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Post by mØnti on Dec 10, 2010 9:01:04 GMT -5
Hey
Title says it all. Who is the bigger force in the Internet.
Discuss!
I personally think they're pretty much equal. 4Chan did some pretty f-up sh!t and of course the Leaks of WikiLeaks.
PS: I used the search function before I posted this, so if there's a similar thread I apologize!
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Post by Raydawn on Dec 10, 2010 9:34:26 GMT -5
completely different, wikileaks has little power on the internet itself, it's more of a real world thing with its data based on the internet
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Post by mØnti on Dec 10, 2010 9:43:44 GMT -5
i think they are not so different at all, 4chan already showed his power outside the internet as well.
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Post by Raydawn on Dec 10, 2010 9:48:55 GMT -5
i think they are not so different at all, 4chan already showed his power outside the internet as well. can't compare, wikileaks releases war documents that make governments pee their pants, 4chan sometimes decides to stop posting trollface macros and does something stupid,
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Post by Lex on Dec 10, 2010 12:15:56 GMT -5
Wikileaks is pretty organized 4Chan isn't. 4Chan is just people showing who they truly are -- proving that human beings can be quite cruel.
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Post by austkyzor on Dec 10, 2010 12:22:42 GMT -5
4chan is basically the entire internet condensed onto one website - which included wikileaks. 4chan was acting as a whistle blower long before Wikileaks was founded.
It's just that 4chan is more concerned with kittens.
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Post by Lyserg Zeroz on Dec 10, 2010 13:35:23 GMT -5
They are different kinds of forces so it's not that easy to compare. Wikileaks is there only to tell us stuff, maybe sometimes said stuff may put in danger people's life, or may revel the true face of goverments, but 4chan does whatever it thinks of doing, and wikileaks is not going to decide to start movements or try to hack whatever important site. I'd say Wikileaks is as strong as information can be and 4han is as strong as anonymous can be. And 4chan is not only there for cruelty btw.
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Post by Ricky on Dec 10, 2010 14:31:46 GMT -5
Its apples and oranges, two very different things. ..
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Post by Camoon on Dec 10, 2010 14:39:49 GMT -5
Its apples and oranges, two very different things. .. YOU'RE an apple. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Knife! So yeah, I think 4chan (well, anonymous in general) and Wikileaks have very different motives, but in answer to the question: I think Wikileaks is a much stronger force. However a lot of what they do is aided by anonymous.
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Post by austkyzor on Dec 10, 2010 16:20:19 GMT -5
I think Wikileaks is a much stronger force. However a lot of what they do is aided by anonymous. Were you not paying attention? 4chan is the internet condensed into one site - almost everything - both awesome and horrifying - came from 4chan. 4chan has gotten people arrested, 4chan has forced companies to either clean up their act, or shut down, 4chan created demotivational posters and lolcats, 4chan manipulated Time's most influential people of the decade without hacking the site. It's entirely likely that 4chan was involved in creating Wikileaks in the first place.
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Post by Freddy on Dec 10, 2010 16:26:39 GMT -5
I think 4chan is something you don't mess with. EVER.
I actually admire Wikileaks for doing what they're doing (even though it wasn't really well thought out).
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Post by Raydawn on Dec 10, 2010 16:48:00 GMT -5
4chan manipulated Time's most influential people of the decade without hacking the site. oh boy.... they made the site's creator win the poll AND MADE THE RUNNER UPS INITIALS SPELL "THE GAME" anon is amazing
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Post by Camoon on Dec 10, 2010 23:23:26 GMT -5
I think Wikileaks is a much stronger force. However a lot of what they do is aided by anonymous. Were you not paying attention? 4chan is the internet condensed into one site - almost everything - both awesome and horrifying - came from 4chan. 4chan has gotten people arrested, 4chan has forced companies to either clean up their act, or shut down, 4chan created demotivational posters and lolcats, 4chan manipulated Time's most influential people of the decade without hacking the site. It's entirely likely that 4chan was involved in creating Wikileaks in the first place. Okay, so they've DDoS attacked websites, manipulated voting poles, etc. Maybe anon does have more power than Wikileaks, but they use it to find people who abuse kittens instead of people who kill tons of innocent people. 4chan fights for the internet, and kittens. They fight against scientology, those who oppose them, and anything worth the lolz. Wikileaks fights for freedom of speech, government transparency, and the internet. They fight against the government (and they're winning), Scientology, those who oppose them, any corrupt (or not) organization... And yes anon and wikileaks are crossing boundaries, and there may be a lot of members who use 4chan and wikileaks, however for the sake of this discussion we're treating them as two separate entities. So my verdict is this: Anonymous: Biggest and strongest. Wikileaks: Most targeted. 4chan is like the bully of the playground, making the kids cough up their dinner money, where as wikileaks is like the intelligent kid who knows psychologically how to get what he wants.
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Post by Joey on Dec 10, 2010 23:44:41 GMT -5
If only 4chan used their powers for good. That would be amazing...
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Post by SwimFellow on Dec 10, 2010 23:50:49 GMT -5
Speaking of which, Visa and MasterCard cut off donations to wikileaks, but not the KKK.. Wikileaks has much more power.
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Post by krzych32 on Dec 11, 2010 0:31:07 GMT -5
Speaking of which, Visa and MasterCard cut off donations to wikileaks, but not the KKK.. Wikileaks has much more power. Wikileaks got kicked for "promoting illegal activities".
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Post by austkyzor on Dec 11, 2010 1:49:55 GMT -5
If only 4chan used their powers for good. That would be amazing... They do - it's just ignored in favor of the other adventures they get up to. It's called selective journalism.
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Post by Alex on Dec 11, 2010 9:17:47 GMT -5
4chan is a much more powerful force on the internet. All I've seen wikileaks do to control the internet was everybody talking about them. Would you rather be trolled by wikileaks or 4chan?
Of course, wikileaks has more power off the internet.
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Post by Joey on Dec 11, 2010 9:45:39 GMT -5
If only 4chan used their powers for good. That would be amazing... They do - it's just ignored in favor of the other adventures they get up to. It's called selective journalism. Yea, but if all of that community was tasked towards "decreaseing world suck" it would be a much better place. Think about how they can control things and get it going. But alot of stuff on it is just a big joke...so.... But I am glad to know that 4chan does have a soul and can do good in major ways.
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Post by Camoon on Dec 11, 2010 11:11:53 GMT -5
If only 4chan used their powers for good. That would be amazing... They do - it's just ignored in favor of the other adventures they get up to. It's called selective journalism. All journalism is selective. They use news to help mould peoples views and beliefs. Yes anonymous have done some good things, however they are driven by their need to protest.
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