Quinn
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[AWD:191c07]
The eye of compromise.
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Sin
Mar 3, 2011 23:56:39 GMT -5
Post by Quinn on Mar 3, 2011 23:56:39 GMT -5
We as humans were created by an all-mighty God. He gave us life and our beautiful earth.
To defy what God has established in any way is a sin; this would include breaking any of the 10 Commandments.
Depending on your religion your sins can either be forgiven by a Clergyman or only by god himself.
I believe that humans can Masturbate, be homosexual, and can interpret the Bible for themselves. I also believe that the only person who can pardon (or forgive sin) is God.
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Sin
Mar 4, 2011 0:20:03 GMT -5
Post by Lex on Mar 4, 2011 0:20:03 GMT -5
We as humans were created by an all-mighty God. He gave us life and our beautiful earth. To defy what God has established in any way is a sin; this would include breaking any of the 10 Commandments. Depending on your religion your sins can either be forgiven by a Clergyman or only by god himself. I love how you state all this as though its a proven fact.
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Sin
Mar 4, 2011 0:23:01 GMT -5
Post by Insane_Zang on Mar 4, 2011 0:23:01 GMT -5
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2 Peter 1:21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
What's that got to do with the price of rice in China?
Ok, you can interpret it your way. You're wrong, but you can. Scholars have interpreted it my way, the right way, for years. Also it's a bit nonsensical to think it's "laying down with someone". Use common sense.
It's to make sure people see it.
Also, can we define what sin is first? Sin is what denies you the kingdom of heaven. That is the only kind of sin I am arguing. How is there any other kind of sin?
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Sin
Mar 4, 2011 0:23:29 GMT -5
Post by Insane_Zang on Mar 4, 2011 0:23:29 GMT -5
Dammit, more people posted while I was writing that, one sec
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Sin
Mar 4, 2011 0:28:05 GMT -5
Post by Insane_Zang on Mar 4, 2011 0:28:05 GMT -5
yep
Well, not exactly. I can piss on a tree. It's not a sin
yep
I believe it's through Jesus but he his God so yeah you're right there as well
Yeaaaah.... no. God has established your body. You're defying your body. So you're going against yourself.
Well, you can try. It'll be wrong though. The Bible was written one way and was meant to be interpreted one way
Yep
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Sin
Mar 4, 2011 2:51:05 GMT -5
Post by Ryan on Mar 4, 2011 2:51:05 GMT -5
Scholars have also interpreted the bible in ways different than you Zang, no need to insult my common sense. The example, while silly, was to demonstrate that a different interpretation can exist, and it is no less valid than other interpretations. Yet you don't give them credit. Nor do you acknowledge that neither is truly right - for as you posted before what is right is only determined by God.
And also thank you for finally defining sin (the point of the entire thread). Your definition of sin is a very religious and christian definition. But would someone who followed hinduism define sin the same way? They do not believe in the kingdom of God, they believe in the eternality of the soul and of life. Yet would you not say that hindu's believe in sin? There are many different definitions of sin - and that is the point of the thread.
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Sin
Mar 4, 2011 11:52:04 GMT -5
Post by Insane_Zang on Mar 4, 2011 11:52:04 GMT -5
Sin is of the Christian religion. That is all. (also I thought you made the thread to figure how something is defined as a sin, not what sin is)
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Sin
Mar 4, 2011 13:14:23 GMT -5
Post by Lyserg Zeroz on Mar 4, 2011 13:14:23 GMT -5
^And is also from Judaism, and Islam. And there are hundreds of religions, so I guess it's also part of other religions. And while in other religions it is not called "sin", the concept is still there. And the interpretation of the bible seems to change with time (even the official ones) and I guess there are still different interpretations for different branches of Christianism. Btw, Insane_Zang, were you trying to prove the bible was inspired or written by God wih those quotations in the first post of yours on this page 0.0? Because proving something like that using the bible is not a good argument and is also a principle that can be applied to any other holy-book that claims it was written or inspired by a superior being. And "inspired" also leaves room for ambiguity, it doesn't (EDIT:) necessarily mean that the bible is the word of God, just that someone took inspiration from that God.
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Sin
Mar 4, 2011 15:30:15 GMT -5
Post by Alex on Mar 4, 2011 15:30:15 GMT -5
There is no "right" interpretation of anything. Poetry, the Bible, films, books, etc. These things are put out there to be interpreted.
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Sin
Mar 4, 2011 15:56:58 GMT -5
Post by SwimFellow on Mar 4, 2011 15:56:58 GMT -5
I think religion is a pick-and-choose thing.. Currently, I'm kind of an atheist. But that's probably because of the bible's: EVERYTHING HERE IS RIGHT OR YOU DIE!!!
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Flappy
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Grrr! But not really....
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Sin
Mar 4, 2011 16:02:16 GMT -5
Post by Flappy on Mar 4, 2011 16:02:16 GMT -5
In response to OP: Sin is, essentially, God's opinion of what is right and what is wrong.
I don't believe sin exist, as I don't believe in god.
I think sin is a tool used by religious groups to guilt people into believing. (Sin poses a problem, and religion provides the solution. But there was never really a problem in the first place.) And furthermore, to keep them from leaving. (If you continue to sin and don't ask for forgiveness, you will go to hell.) It's a trap, a burden, a weight that lingers on your shoulder as long as you remain religious, and I believe this burden is only lifted once you accept that sin is a man-made concept, an idea of what god would think, would believe, and would have you believe. It is submissive and it is hurtful, it is an awful tool, and I can't be happier that I escaped from it.
That's what I think.
Also, God, I hate how arrogant religious people are. So full of themselves, so pretentious....annoys the crap out of me. Look, you're not puting your faith in God, you're puting your faith in humans. You don't know about the idea of god because God told you he existed, you know about the idea of god because someone told you about god, and someone told them about god. You just have faith that they're telling the truth, but like gossip, lies spread fast, and the truth (or the search for truth) gets buried under a rock. It's sad, really.
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Sin
Mar 4, 2011 16:17:07 GMT -5
Post by krzych32 on Mar 4, 2011 16:17:07 GMT -5
There is no "right" interpretation of anything. Poetry, the Bible, films, books, etc. These things are put out there to be interpreted. That's wrong, when something is written it is written so that others can get the message that is in the text.
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Sin
Mar 4, 2011 16:33:39 GMT -5
Post by Alex on Mar 4, 2011 16:33:39 GMT -5
There is no "right" interpretation of anything. Poetry, the Bible, films, books, etc. These things are put out there to be interpreted. That's wrong, when something is written it is written so that others can get the message that is in the text. But most of the stuff in the bible was written for interpretation.
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Sin
Mar 4, 2011 20:05:54 GMT -5
Post by Ryan on Mar 4, 2011 20:05:54 GMT -5
Krzych, just because someone intends something to be interpreted one way, does not mean there is not another right way to interpret it. More than one right interpretation does exist, so there is not A single right interpretation, that is what I believe Alex was trying to say.
If you make a work, be it written or otherwise, and intend for it to be interpret, you can not say that one interpretaion is more right than your own. Sure when you had the idea it meant one thing to you, but someone else could interpret it another way and you might like that way and decide to interpret it that way. Since you created the work - your interpretation is right, but now you have more than one. See what I'm getting at?
Also Zang, it is pretentious to assume that sin is only the sin of Christianity and that all other sin is not sin. While other examples of sin may not be punishable or judged on by your deity, they are still sin, just for someone else. That pretension is a form of idolatry which goes against your commandments.
Also Flappy - I don't believe the Hindu version of sin traps followers of hinduism, as hinduism does not have a formal 'forgiveness' but rather have karma.
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Sin
Mar 4, 2011 20:23:01 GMT -5
Post by Lyserg Zeroz on Mar 4, 2011 20:23:01 GMT -5
It's true that there is more than one interpretation of the bible. Sure, a lot of things are interpretable in many ways, that's fine with poetry, for example. But if you are trying to get accross a message as important as something like what the holy-books intend to be (something like a definitive truth, a path to heaven, the story of the universe/the Earth and its gods, the teachings of a supreme being, etc) then interpreting it in so many different ways is going to lead to problems (*Cough*Westboro*Cough*), I think that if God was real and if the bible was God's message, then there would be a definitive and right interpretation (unless God wanted us to come up with different interpretations, to, Idk, fight over it?). Sorry for being off-topic xP, this part of the conversation should continue in the "Bible" thread.
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Sin
Mar 5, 2011 0:33:09 GMT -5
Post by krzych32 on Mar 5, 2011 0:33:09 GMT -5
Krzych, just because someone intends something to be interpreted one way, does not mean there is not another right way to interpret it. More than one right interpretation does exist, so there is not A single right interpretation, that is what I believe Alex was trying to say. If you make a work, be it written or otherwise, and intend for it to be interpret, you can not say that one interpretaion is more right than your own. Sure when you had the idea it meant one thing to you, but someone else could interpret it another way and you might like that way and decide to interpret it that way. Since you created the work - your interpretation is right, but now you have more than one. See what I'm getting at? Also Zang, it is pretentious to assume that sin is only the sin of Christianity and that all other sin is not sin. While other examples of sin may not be punishable or judged on by your deity, they are still sin, just for someone else. That pretension is a form of idolatry which goes against your commandments. Also Flappy - I don't believe the Hindu version of sin traps followers of hinduism, as hinduism does not have a formal 'forgiveness' but rather have karma. What Alex said is that there is no RIGHT interpretation of anything. I'm saying that there is, I'm not saying that there is no way for another interpretation to come into existance but that does not mean that all interpretation are of equal value. The N on the map means North, not Ninjas. Also, I think what Zang was saying is that what he is arguing is the Chrisian version of sin, not that there is no sin in other religions.
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Sin
Mar 5, 2011 3:53:12 GMT -5
Post by Ryan on Mar 5, 2011 3:53:12 GMT -5
Sin is of the Christian religion. Fairly certain this says that sin is a Christian only thing, not that he was just talking of the Christian version of sin. But, that's my interpretation. (HAH! Play on meaning!)
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Sin
Mar 5, 2011 14:31:24 GMT -5
Post by krzych32 on Mar 5, 2011 14:31:24 GMT -5
Sin is of the Christian religion. Fairly certain this says that sin is a Christian only thing, not that he was just talking of the Christian version of sin. But, that's my interpretation. (HAH! Play on meaning!) Well then, since there is no such thing as Right interpretation we are both right, and what ever Zang meant by that post is of no importance. Now when I read it again I think he wants us to go out and kill people.
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Quinn
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[AWD:191c07]
The eye of compromise.
Posts: 580
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Sin
Mar 6, 2011 0:58:31 GMT -5
Post by Quinn on Mar 6, 2011 0:58:31 GMT -5
One of the fueling factors of the Reformation is... "Who can pardon sin?" "Can we interpret the Bible for ourselves?" "Why should we pay tithe to the church when they do naught with the funds?"
That is the direction I wanted this debate to go in... so yeah.
Also... with all the sects of Christianity (and all the interpretations of the Bible)... which one is right? Which one should one follow if they seek salvation?
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Sin
Mar 6, 2011 2:26:38 GMT -5
Post by Ryan on Mar 6, 2011 2:26:38 GMT -5
This isn't a thread on christianity or interpretations of the bible...there's a bible thread for that. Try to keep the focus on general sin, and not on christian specific sin. If you want you can use examples from christianity, but it's not the primary focus.
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