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Post by TheIslander on Apr 24, 2010 19:46:57 GMT -5
Creating a sub-forum just for Dan's videos doesn't separate us from his fanbase, it emphasizes our connection. Like I said, my goal is for the threads to slowly end up in the Youtube section. Not stickied, not in their own board, just THERE. So even if Dans videos made up 30+% of the Youtube section, you still wouldn't want to create a subsection for them?
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Post by Cortney on Apr 24, 2010 20:01:10 GMT -5
So even if Dans videos made up 30+% of the Youtube section, you still wouldn't want to create a subsection for them? They're not going to make up 30% of the Youtube section. We'll close duplicates. But, if by some chance they did, I still would not want to create a subsection.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 24, 2010 20:03:03 GMT -5
Creating a sub-forum just for Dan's videos doesn't separate us from his fanbase, it emphasizes our connection. Like I said, my goal is for the threads to slowly end up in the Youtube section. Not stickied, not in their own board, just THERE. So even if Dans videos made up 30+% of the Youtube section, you still wouldn't want to create a subsection for them? *I'm not an admin. I have no control over these things. But I'm going to express my opinion anyway* If Dan's videos were in the YouTube section, I think it would open up the discussion of other YouTube videos as well. To be honest, I've never really known what we're supposed to use that section for. Right now people mostly just promote channels they like.. It had never crossed my mind to use it to discuss videos, even though there are a lot of YouTube videos that I watch and wish I could discuss them with other people. So I think if we started using the YouTube section to discuss ANY YouTube videos (because I really don't see it being used for that now), then I think more people will see that as the purpose of the section, and more discussions will open up, and Dan's videos won't monopolize the discussion.
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Post by TheIslander on Apr 24, 2010 21:21:54 GMT -5
So even if Dans videos made up 30+% of the Youtube section, you still wouldn't want to create a subsection for them? They're not going to make up 30% of the Youtube section. We'll close duplicates. But, if by some chance they did, I still would not want to create a subsection. Then with your reasoning, the polls section and debates section should not be separate. and neither should the forum games and everything section. Because even the fact that polls and games would make 30%+ of their respective section fosters the need to create a separate section for them. I respect you as an admin, but I am sorry to say you are not reasoning. Currently, the average thread in the youtube section is 1 page (maybe 2 pages long)... the average DB thread in the announcements is 5+. The youtube section would still be dominated by DB videos if you were to place them there. There are currently 48 threads in the youtube section, and around (say) 10 DB threads on the forum 4 in the announcements and a few roaming around. That is already 20%.. Placing DB videos in the youtube section will result having a DB-dominated youtube section which leaves barley any space for other youtubers. (Or at best a section with too much active topics that they are not discussed to their full potential - kind of like what is happening with the Projects section right now... so many new threads every day... so little replies - this is because there are a few very dominant threads and a lot of new threads so it is very hard for the new threads to become dominant threads.) Creating a DB section will give space for both a healthy youtube section (which can develop other youtube discussions) and leave space for a DB section which will be, as expected full of super dominant / hyper threads.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 24, 2010 21:26:28 GMT -5
Her reasoning had nothing to do with what percent of the posts would be made up of Dan's videos... Her reasoning was the message and shift of focus that this change would cause.. With other things, like games or projects, we don't need to worry that people will come here and think that that's the focus of SPOTM, but with Dan's videos we do
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Post by TheIslander on Apr 24, 2010 21:32:22 GMT -5
Her reasoning had nothing to do with what percent of the posts would be made up of Dan's videos... Her reasoning was the message and shift of focus that this change would cause.. With other things, like games or projects, we don't need to worry that people will come here and think that that's the focus of SPOTM, but with Dan's videos we do You are not getting the point, I am talking about how to design the forums in such a way that we would generate more activity rather than less activity. If DB videos are places in the youtube section they will eat away all the activity from the youtube videos (not that there is much). This discussion (or at least my point) has nothing to do with being separate from Dan as such, it is more about creating healthier sections - which in turn result more equal threads. I think you should look towards observing posting trends before discussing a new section - rather than the goal of separating the community from Dan.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 24, 2010 21:37:32 GMT -5
I get the point.. I just don't agree with it.. For one, moving towards autonomy is more important than having "equal threads." And two, as I said in my other post, I think moving discussion of Dan's videos to the YouTube section will actually create more activity there, not shut down the little activity that already exists.
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Post by Breepop on Apr 24, 2010 21:50:05 GMT -5
How many Dan Brown video threads are there, really? 3 or 4 a month, if that? I wouldn't make a section for anything that only generates one thread a week. I think you are severely blinded by the last week, TheIslander. I see no point in a subforum for Dan's videos. Nearly 90% of them are never even discussed here... and frankly, don't need to be. Dan makes one video a week that opens discussion and should probably have a thread on The Moon. That one discussion can be kept in one thread in YouTube. ...and that's only the organizational part of things. We can't ignore the fact that making a subforum for something increases discussion on that topic, and increasing discussion on Dan Brown increases focus on Dan Brown. Sorry, mate, but ... I doubt that's happenin'.
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Post by TheIslander on Apr 24, 2010 21:51:33 GMT -5
I get the point.. I just don't agree with it.. For one, moving towards autonomy is more important than having "equal threads." And two, as I said in my other post, You are saying that autonomy from the person who gives this community more life by bringing users is more important than optimizing the current user base? You are speaking from your heart not your mind. projects section: Thread started on april 4th, still one of the top threads in the section: pogotribe.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=projects&action=display&thread=982Thread started 15 Days after, moved on to page 2, barley any views despite being a newer topic - has not picked up: pogotribe.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=projects&action=display&thread=1587DB videos will be just like the first thread, normal discussions will be like the second. You will argue that the first may be more interesting than the second... and it is a fact that DB threads are more interesting to most users on here than normal youtube threads. I cannot see how DB threads will make youtube threads any more active.. it will be survival of the fittest.
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Post by TheIslander on Apr 24, 2010 21:53:57 GMT -5
How many Dan Brown video threads are there, really? 3 or 4 a month, if that? I wouldn't make a section for anything that only generates one thread a week. I think you are severely blinded by the last week, TheIslander. I see no point in a subforum for Dan's videos. Nearly 90% of them are never even discussed here... and frankly, don't need to be. Dan makes one video a week that opens discussion and should probably have a thread on The Moon. That one discussion can be kept in one thread in YouTube. ...and that's only the organizational part of things. We can't ignore the fact that making a subforum for something increases discussion on that topic, and increasing discussion on Dan Brown increases focus on Dan Brown. Sorry, mate, but ... I doubt that's happenin'. pogotribe.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tribesFull of DB threads. + The few you mention in the announcements. Whatever you do, Dans videos are going to be popular. Subforum or no subforum. There are nearly as much PAGES on the four of dans topics released last month as there are threads in the youtube section which has been up for a month too. I am done debunking the irrationality in this topic, after all I have said what I have to say. You can bring the horse to the water but you cannot make it drink. "Sorry, mate, but ... I doubt that's happenin'. " nothing in the suggestions forum ever DOES seem to happen anyway, does it Bree?
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Post by Breepop on Apr 24, 2010 22:00:21 GMT -5
2 out of 27? Not to mention that Tribes is one of the least active forums. You can't compare this to any other board. It's not the same at all. The second project thread you linked up there wasn't even a project. xD
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Post by TheIslander on Apr 24, 2010 22:04:24 GMT -5
2 out of 27? Not to mention that Tribes is one of the least active forums. You can't compare this to any other board. It's not the same at all. The second project thread you linked up there wasn't even a project. xD I count 3 at first glance, just reading the names.. not imaging whats inside most of them. Despite it not being a project, it is still a thread. and please do not try feed the "were different" argument into this, it just re-enforces how un realistic you are being.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 24, 2010 22:18:40 GMT -5
I hate being ignored just because my name isn't orange.. I really don't see how you could say that you count 3 threads about Dan at first glance in the tribe section.. and it's unfair for you to say that they're all about Dan if you admit that you don't even know what's in them. 2 of them are about Dan, but neither is really about his YouTube, which is what we need to be separating from SPOTM. And if a thread is in the wrong section, it's going to be ignored. That's just a given.. But really, most threads on here get a decent response.. more than that one did.. and that one is really not a fair representation of threads on here
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Post by jmejia1187 on Apr 24, 2010 23:35:11 GMT -5
Personally, I agree with Chelsea that discussion on Dans videos should be moved to the sub-section "Youtube".
I think this will generate more discussion on threads already in that section, and it will also teach users to post discussions on youtube videos there. Like I love vlogbros videos, and sometimes I have opinions on what they say. Many other SPOTM'ers watch them also, and they are just as, if not more so, popular than Dan.
I like this idea, and I sincerely hope it gets impletemented, HOWEVER... This week was a different case. This week Dan's video, for some reason or another, seemed to anger people, and cause people to feel, uncomfortable, with his not so straight forward, read between the lines format. I created a collab project BASED off his video. Many people are asking, has dan changed? Has he gone mad? And while these threads are BASED OFF his video, they don't necessarily directly relate TO the video, as they seem to be related more TOWARDS the PERSON.
Lets make a change. In the Youtube section, I suggest we change the name to YOUTUBE/YOUTUBERS. That way discussions ABOUT DAN, and ABOUT VLOGBROS, in a more general sense can go on here. Perhaps this will also help lure traffic to this, often overlooked, section of SPOTM.
JUST A SUGGESTION, PDBAZ
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Post by Speckley on Apr 25, 2010 2:20:56 GMT -5
nothing in the suggestions forum ever DOES seem to happen anyway, does it Bree? I'd like to touch on this [very] briefly: just because it doesn't seem to be happening now, doesn't mean that it won't be happening in the future. Some of the suggestions take longer to implement than others.
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Post by Breepop on Apr 25, 2010 10:03:45 GMT -5
nothing in the suggestions forum ever DOES seem to happen anyway, does it Bree? That's quite mean and unnecessary. :/ I said this ages ago: Also, if you're afraid of the discussion getting lost in a sub-forum, maybe you could remove the sub-forum and just let The Internets intermingle with Youtube.. neither sections really gets that much attention, so maybe this would be a good way to get people to pay more attention to it. Plus, if I saw Dan's videos being discussed just as any other youtube video, I would be more inclined to start discussions about other youtube videos as well. That sounds good to me. ...But there's no need to continue pushing for the suggestion. It won't be talked about until Sunday, so you just have to be patient. (I'm not saying stop posting here, I just want you guys to know you don't have to keep justifying why you agree with Chelsea. It's okay.) There's no need to attack the admins just because people don't like your suggestion. <_<
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 25, 2010 10:29:28 GMT -5
nothing in the suggestions forum ever DOES seem to happen anyway, does it Bree? how do you think the help section got started genius...
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Post by Cortney on Apr 25, 2010 10:31:51 GMT -5
Okay, woah. Woah. TheIslander, I love you, but imma have ta tell you sumfin. I think you should look towards observing posting trends before discussing a new section - rather than the goal of separating the community from Dan. Imma do it. Imma put in the "we're not like all those other forums" argument here, because it needs to be here. Unlike other forums, we have a distinct purpose (which we're discussing in the Noble Cause thread...). This isn't about forum structure and healthy activity, it's about reaching goals and achieving our purpose. When boards become cluttered, we organize them. However, our purpose always comes before forum structure. By creating a sub-forum for Dan Brown's video, we are hindering one of our goals: being separate from DB. So, hopefully you can see my reasoning as to why we need to put Dan Brown in the Youtube section (and why I agree with Chelsea, who I'm not ignoring. =P).
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Post by Breepop on Apr 25, 2010 10:36:11 GMT -5
Did bombmanic just defend us?
woah woah
WOAH.
brb checking for flying pigs
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 25, 2010 11:21:53 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAHHA i never said people cant change, besides, when you say something worth defending, like this, i will defend you
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