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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 23, 2010 0:39:53 GMT -5
There are 2 distinct roles of Dan Brown, which I think need to be separated. Those are 1.) Dan Brown as a "famous youtuber," and 2.) Dan Brown as the creator of SPOTM. Some people have suggested giving Dan his own section of SPOTM, while others want to remove Dan as much as possible. Dan himself has said that he doesn't want to be the focus of SPOTM.
I think that Dan as the creator of SPOTM is important and should be looked up to, while Dan the youtuber should not be held in such high regard.
I suggest taking out the discussion of Dan's youtube videos from the "IMPORTANT!!1!one!" section and moving them to the "Youtube" section. If the moon is ever going expand past Dan's viewers, there needs to be less focus on Dan the youtuber.
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Post by Ryan on Apr 23, 2010 1:25:33 GMT -5
/agree
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 23, 2010 2:01:35 GMT -5
/agreed as well. especially in light of his most recent drivel
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Post by Danielle on Apr 23, 2010 2:44:45 GMT -5
The problem is, with his videos, almost everyone here will have seen them and DOZENS of threads pop up about each video. The admins have to work their asses off to delete/move threads when Dan posts a new video. Having ONE discussion thread in the important section, where everyone can see it, is honestly the best option for now.
Until people here start caring less or wanting to discuss Dan's videos less, a lot of moderating has to be done to keep conversation organized.
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Post by Trey on Apr 23, 2010 6:45:01 GMT -5
There are 2 distinct roles of Dan Brown, which I think need to be separated. Those are 1.) Dan Brown as a "famous youtuber," and 2.) Dan Brown as the creator of SPOTM. Some people have suggested giving Dan his own section of SPOTM, while others want to remove Dan as much as possible. Dan himself has said that he doesn't want to be the focus of SPOTM. I think that Dan as the creator of SPOTM is important and should be looked up to, while Dan the youtuber should not be held in such high regard. I suggest taking out the discussion of Dan's youtube videos from the "IMPORTANT!!1!one!" section and moving them to the "Youtube" section. If the moon is ever going expand past Dan's viewers, there needs to be less focus on Dan the youtuber. /agree as well. The mob psychology is taking over my feelings on the matter, I guess xD  |
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Post by TheIslander on Apr 23, 2010 6:47:58 GMT -5
We can maybe, have a link on the front page leading to the subforum.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 23, 2010 8:16:08 GMT -5
The problem is, with his videos, almost everyone here will have seen them and DOZENS of threads pop up about each video. The admins have to work their asses off to delete/move threads when Dan posts a new video. Having ONE discussion thread in the important section, where everyone can see it, is honestly the best option for now. Until people here start caring less or wanting to discuss Dan's videos less, a lot of moderating has to be done to keep conversation organized. But since people already post a bunch of threads in response to Dan's videos, I don't think it could make the problem any worse. As it is, people usually post their opinions of Dan's videos in the "Youtube" or "Anything and Everything" sections. Moving a thread to the "Important" section just disseminates the threads even more. And I think it would just be better to take care of it now. If we wait too long, it will become increasingly more difficult to implement as more people join the site. |
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Post by zAkAtAk on Apr 23, 2010 8:36:12 GMT -5
I honestly don't care about Dan all that much so all I really see is YouTube Dan. If Dan's material starts to suck then I am going to unsubscribe. I'm not going to stay with him just becaue he is who he is.
Sorry, status not earned.
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Post by Breepop on Apr 23, 2010 10:30:47 GMT -5
You make a fair point Chelsea, but Danielle is correct. We can't bury such popular threads in some subforum. The amount of threads made and the work for the admins would only double. The main thread for that discussion needs to be as obvious as possible (without it being some sort of flashy front page thing). This has nothing to do with Dan being the creator of SPOTM or anything of that sort. If 17 different threads are made on any subject in the span of about 3 hours, and members are constantly joining/visiting only to discuss the subject in that thread, then it will surely get its own thread in Important. This doesn't happen with all of Dan's videos, anyway. Only three discussion threads have been put there. I'll bring it up in the call on Sunday, but I can't promise any change. And I think it would just be better to take care of it now. If we wait too long, it will become increasingly more difficult to implement as more people join the site. Why do you think this? Changes are always going to be happening, no matter how many members we have. I don't see how number of members relates to difficulty of implementing a technical change. Slightly off topic: I've noticed a sudden urgence among the members to separate everything and anything from Dan as much as possible. I don't get why this is. I do not think we are ready to separate so completely from Dan, and I don't think rushing it will help the community as much as you guys are suggesting. I do realize that we need this individualistic attitude for the separation to ever happen, but don't you think you're overdoing it a little right now? Dan is a phenomenal leader, and I'm not in any hurry to push him away. We're only babies. D: |
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Post by hey light on Apr 23, 2010 10:41:47 GMT -5
Slightly off topic: I've noticed a sudden urgence among the members to separate everything and anything from Dan as much as possible. I don't get why this is. I do not think we are ready to separate so completely from Dan, and I don't think rushing it will help the community as much as you guys are suggesting. I do realize that we need this individualistic attitude for the separation to ever happen, but don't you think you're overdoing it a little right now? Dan is a phenomenal leader, and I'm not in any hurry to push him away. We're only babies. D: We're doing that because that's what Dan wanted. But that's kind paradoxical, because in doing that, we're doing what Dan wants because he wants it, which makes it so that we're still following Dan. |
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Post by Rob on Apr 23, 2010 10:55:50 GMT -5
I've noticed a sudden urgence among the members to separate everything and anything from Dan as much as possible. I don't get why this is. I do not think we are ready to separate so completely from Dan, and I don't think rushing it will help the community as much as you guys are suggesting. I do realize that we need this individualistic attitude for the separation to ever happen, but don't you think you're overdoing it a little right now? Dan is a phenomenal leader, and I'm not in any hurry to push him away. We're only babies. D: I sooooo totally agree there. While yes, I agree that there are some organizational aspects of this forum that could use work, I only believe that from the purely organizational standpoint, not from breaking away from Dan. We're not even a year old yet as a forum. We're totally not prepared for this yet. I believe the separation from Dan needs to occur naturally, not by our own forced choice. |
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 23, 2010 11:12:27 GMT -5
And I think it would just be better to take care of it now. If we wait too long, it will become increasingly more difficult to implement as more people join the site. Why do you think this? Changes are always going to be happening, no matter how many members we have. I don't see how number of members relates to difficulty of implementing a technical change. I feel like changing it now would help people get out of the mindset that SPOTM is centered around Dan. And if the current members change their mindset, it'll be easier to assimilate newer members to this mindset. Plus if we do it now, fewer people need to adjust than would if we waited and had more members. Therefore, it would be faster for members as a whole to adjust, since there would be less of us. I've noticed a sudden urgence among the members to separate everything and anything from Dan as much as possible. I don't get why this is. I do not think we are ready to separate so completely from Dan, and I don't think rushing it will help the community as much as you guys are suggesting. I do realize that we need this individualistic attitude for the separation to ever happen, but don't you think you're overdoing it a little right now? Dan is a phenomenal leader, and I'm not in any hurry to push him away. We're only babies. D: Also, that was kind of the point of this.. We still need Dan. I agree 100%. I'm not saying we should try to separate from him.. I just think people need to see him as a leader of the community more than they see him as a popular youtuber. |
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 23, 2010 11:28:05 GMT -5
absolutely. that will also help reduce the fanboi/girl factor
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Post by MCPuppet on Apr 23, 2010 12:22:52 GMT -5
But Dan also said he knew we weren't ready from him to separate from us.
I'm thinking half of the people are going to follow Dan, subconsciously or not in whatever he says, and the other half are going to automatically do the opposite, it's just their nature.
Now I'm also sure there is that percent that are neutral to it, and will make decisions based upon their own thoughts, but I'm thinking large scale.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 23, 2010 12:50:13 GMT -5
But Dan also said he knew we weren't ready from him to separate from us. I'm not saying we should try to separate from him.. DUALITY. We need to see that there are two roles that Dan plays. We need one. We don't need one. Period. |
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 23, 2010 12:55:23 GMT -5
Also, if you're afraid of the discussion getting lost in a sub-forum, maybe you could remove the sub-forum and just let The Internets intermingle with Youtube.. neither sections really gets that much attention, so maybe this would be a good way to get people to pay more attention to it. Plus, if I saw Dan's videos being discussed just as any other youtube video, I would be more inclined to start discussions about other youtube videos as well.
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Post by TheIslander on Apr 23, 2010 13:02:40 GMT -5
You make a fair point Chelsea, but Danielle is correct. We can't bury such popular threads in some subforum. The amount of threads made and the work for the admins would only double. The main thread for that discussion needs to be as obvious as possible (without it being some sort of flashy front page thing). This has nothing to do with Dan being the creator of SPOTM or anything of that sort. If 17 different threads are made on any subject in the span of about 3 hours, and members are constantly joining/visiting only to discuss the subject in that thread, then it will surely get its own thread in Important. This doesn't happen with all of Dan's videos, anyway. Only three discussion threads have been put there. I'll bring it up in the call on Sunday, but I can't promise any change. And I think it would just be better to take care of it now. If we wait too long, it will become increasingly more difficult to implement as more people join the site. Why do you think this? Changes are always going to be happening, no matter how many members we have. I don't see how number of members relates to difficulty of implementing a technical change. Slightly off topic: I've noticed a sudden urgence among the members to separate everything and anything from Dan as much as possible. I don't get why this is. I do not think we are ready to separate so completely from Dan, and I don't think rushing it will help the community as much as you guys are suggesting. I do realize that we need this individualistic attitude for the separation to ever happen, but don't you think you're overdoing it a little right now? Dan is a phenomenal leader, and I'm not in any hurry to push him away. We're only babies. D: How about a seperate section for POGOTOKs/Announcements and Dans Videos? The Dans Videos section dosn't need to be a sub forum, it could be a forum on the front page. It could be in the Discussion section. It is not separating the community from Dans videos as such, (Dan will be making the pogotoks anyway) it is more like separating the announcements from the non-announcements. As long as Dan is the guy making the Pogotoks, we are led by Dan. This discussion has nothing to do with us wanting to be seperated from Dan, more like having less confusion in the Announcement/Important section. Dan's pogotoks ARE announcements, DBU videos are not. |
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 23, 2010 13:36:26 GMT -5
TheIslander, that would just put EVEN MORE emphasis on Dan's youtube... the point of this is to take focus OFF of Dan's youtube >_<
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Post by click3tyclick on Apr 23, 2010 13:37:59 GMT -5
I suggest taking out the discussion of Dan's youtube videos from the "IMPORTANT!!1!one!" section and moving them to the "Youtube" section. If the moon is ever going expand past Dan's viewers, there needs to be less focus on Dan the youtuber. This. |
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Post by Breepop on Apr 23, 2010 13:46:14 GMT -5
The Important board was not made for announcements, it was made so the threads people are looking for the most could easily be found. Perhaps it needs a name change, because no one seems to get that... including some fellow admins.  Also, if you're afraid of the discussion getting lost in a sub-forum, maybe you could remove the sub-forum and just let The Internets intermingle with Youtube.. neither sections really gets that much attention, so maybe this would be a good way to get people to pay more attention to it. Plus, if I saw Dan's videos being discussed just as any other youtube video, I would be more inclined to start discussions about other youtube videos as well. That sounds good to me. ...But there's no need to continue pushing for the suggestion. It won't be talked about until Sunday, so you just have to be patient. (I'm not saying stop posting here, I just want you guys to know you don't have to keep justifying why you agree with Chelsea. It's okay.) |
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