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Post by Cortney on Mar 24, 2010 15:09:03 GMT -5
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Post by Ryan on Mar 24, 2010 15:29:25 GMT -5
Surely a world with non-zombies and zombies is a terrible mix. But a world with no zombies would be awesome. a world with all zombies...wouldn't be all that bad, in fact I would argue to say Perfect? (see the link for the explanation)
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Post by zAkAtAk on Mar 24, 2010 16:07:09 GMT -5
I definitely agree that people are zombies. I hate zombies. If you allow people to do your thinking for you, you need to seriously re-evaluate yourself. This includes:
- People that blindly follow their faith. - People that vote based solely on political party. - People that believe something just because someone higher on the social ladder said it. - People that ignore social problems in the world.
You are a functional human being. You are capable of comprehending. You are capable of changing the world around you. You can decide. You can think. PLEASE USE THE HIGHER CAPACITY BRAIN THAT YOU WERE BORN WITH!.
Challenge ideas around you. Research what you believe in. Never just "go with it" just because it is a popular belief. Experience, if you can and if it is safe.
I am very adamant about this topic, it is why I try to be as active as possible in debate/serious discussions.
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Post by Joey on Mar 24, 2010 18:04:23 GMT -5
Okay this has to do more with Dan's latest blog on his dbuniverse channel but... What is Dan trying to get at by calling God "she"? Yes we Christians commonly think of God as a male, a "Father" but we are taught that God is neither male nor female. God is...well, God. Yes we belive that when God became man, it was Jesus, who is male. BUT Jesus is just God in human form. God is above human things, including gender. I just dont know if dan is trying to pick a bone, be funny or what, but the Christans dont belive that God is neccesarly a man, so calling God "She" is perfectly acceptable.
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Post by shinigami345 on Mar 24, 2010 18:12:41 GMT -5
I asked that question to one of the guys at VBS when I was a kid. He told me that the word God has a feminine cononotation in Greek.
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Post by Breepop on Mar 24, 2010 19:07:15 GMT -5
Okay this has to do more with Dan's latest blog on his dbuniverse channel but... What is Dan trying to get at by calling God "she"? Yes we Christians commonly think of God as a male, a "Father" but we are taught that God is neither male nor female. God is...well, God. Yes we belive that when God became man, it was Jesus, who is male. BUT Jesus is just God in human form. God is above human things, including gender. I just dont know if dan is trying to pick a bone, be funny or what, but the Christans dont belive that God is neccesarly a man, so calling God "She" is perfectly acceptable. He was just challenging the very common belief that God is male. Getting people to think. Basically saying, "We know so little about 'God,' that we don't even know if 'God' is male or female or neither or both." That's how I interpreted it, anyway.
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Post by Joey on Mar 24, 2010 21:18:48 GMT -5
Okay, it just came across to me that he was just trying to pick a bone, when there wasnt a bone to pick. Gotcha.
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Post by durarara on Mar 24, 2010 22:48:32 GMT -5
I definitely agree that people are zombies. I hate zombies. If you allow people to do your thinking for you, you need to seriously re-evaluate yourself. This includes: - People that blindly follow their faith.- People that vote based solely on political party. - People that believe something just because someone higher on the social ladder said it. - People that ignore social problems in the world. You are a functional human being. You are capable of comprehending. You are capable of changing the world around you. You can decide. You can think. PLEASE USE THE HIGHER CAPACITY BRAIN THAT YOU WERE BORN WITH!. Challenge ideas around you. Research what you believe in. Never just "go with it" just because it is a popular belief. Experience, if you can and if it is safe. I am very adamant about this topic, it is why I try to be as active as possible in debate/serious discussions. While this is true,isn't it good to hold onto something blindly? Holding onto something blindly can usually be called: HOPE
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Post by LegacyOfPaper on Mar 24, 2010 23:02:06 GMT -5
I definitely agree that people are zombies. I hate zombies. If you allow people to do your thinking for you, you need to seriously re-evaluate yourself. This includes: - People that blindly follow their faith.- People that vote based solely on political party. - People that believe something just because someone higher on the social ladder said it. - People that ignore social problems in the world. You are a functional human being. You are capable of comprehending. You are capable of changing the world around you. You can decide. You can think. PLEASE USE THE HIGHER CAPACITY BRAIN THAT YOU WERE BORN WITH!. Challenge ideas around you. Research what you believe in. Never just "go with it" just because it is a popular belief. Experience, if you can and if it is safe. I am very adamant about this topic, it is why I try to be as active as possible in debate/serious discussions. While this is true,isn't it good to hold onto something blindly? Holding onto something blindly can usually be called: HOPEFaith, rather. But no religion is perfect, you still have to decide what's right and what's not.
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Post by Ricky on Mar 24, 2010 23:38:55 GMT -5
I suppose people choose to be zombies because most of the time they are blinded by misconceptions, conformity, and the need to belong. That being said there is nothing wrong with being part zombie some of the time.
Yes, trying to be original and questioning what is said by higher levels of power is rare and should be more encouraged, but only if you have or try to have a solid understanding of what it is that you are questioning. I spent months on a seminary trying to understand what religion meant to me and what my views on it were, before coming to the conclusion that I'm an Atheist.
I guess at first just following is a reasonable thing to do, specially when it seems like the person from where the information comes from has been trustworthy or has the right intentions at heart. Just like my family did when trying to share their believes (most of whom are strong followers of Catholicism)
I'm sorry to use Dan as an example, but in the case of the forum he is a prime example of when sometimes taking a leap of faith pays off. Things like the Triads were taken blindly, but only because we trust him.
I'm not saying that it was wrong for us to do so. On the contrary, what I'm saying is that sometimes we have to take things without questioning them. Not because it is impossible or wrong for us to question, but because it would take too long and sometimes it can be unnecessary.
When writing an Article one must take data from different sources to enrich and come up with better and more accurate information. It would be redundant for us to try to complete a survey or a study, when needed for the article, when they have already been done, and their validity is not in question.
The same way I suggest that being zombie-like and placing sometimes blind trust on others it's admissible, but when something seems out of place or something doesn't feel right. One has to all that is possible to try to understand and see the other's point of view before trying to question on the subject.
P.S: I have been awake for about 18 hours straight so some of what I said might not make sense... sorry... XD
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Post by Jake on Mar 25, 2010 2:35:39 GMT -5
I definitely agree that people are zombies. I hate zombies. If you allow people to do your thinking for you, you need to seriously re-evaluate yourself. This includes: - People that blindly follow their faith.- People that vote based solely on political party. - People that believe something just because someone higher on the social ladder said it. - People that ignore social problems in the world. You are a functional human being. You are capable of comprehending. You are capable of changing the world around you. You can decide. You can think. PLEASE USE THE HIGHER CAPACITY BRAIN THAT YOU WERE BORN WITH!. Challenge ideas around you. Research what you believe in. Never just "go with it" just because it is a popular belief. Experience, if you can and if it is safe. I am very adamant about this topic, it is why I try to be as active as possible in debate/serious discussions. While this is true,isn't it good to hold onto something blindly? Holding onto something blindly can usually be called: HOPE(I thought it was Faith, actually) But I don't think he's saying that being religious is a bad thing at all, even if the person is following their religion without confirmation it exists. I think zakatak is more saying that people should sit down and actually think about what they believe and how they live their lives rather than doing what they've been raised to do by their religion. For instance, if a religious book told you to jump off a cliff - you'd probably want to sit down and think about that just as you'd want to think about other things.
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Post by Linus on Mar 25, 2010 13:22:46 GMT -5
He was just challenging the very common belief that God is male. Getting people to think. Basically saying, "We know so little about 'God,' that we don't even know if 'God' is male or female or neither or both." That's how I interpreted it, anyway. Personally, I often try to refer to the subject of God as "it". Mainly because I don't necessarily think that God must be a physically human like being. Yes, I know that the Bible states that God created man form his image, but that could be an image of a mind, or a set of emotions, rather than an image of a physical shape.
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Post by sarahendipity on Mar 25, 2010 14:12:36 GMT -5
So I randomly thought about this today while I was taking a test for my English class... Our class read "Where I Lived, and What I Lived For" by Henry David Thoreau a few weeks ago. In one part of this writing, he talks about how the majority of humans are "not awake." What I think he meant by this is that we do think for ourselves, or we just go through the motions of our regular, mundane lives. Not many of us just stop and THINK about what is going on around us.
" If we do not get out sleepers, and forge rails, and devote days and nights to the work, but go to tinkering upon our lives to improve them, who will build railroads? And if railroads are not built, how shall we get to heaven in season? But if we stay at home and mind our business, who will want railroads? We do not ride on the railroad; it rides upon us. Did you ever think what those sleepers are that underlie the railroad? Each one is a man, an Irishman, or a Yankee man. The rails are laid on them, and they are covered with sand, and the cars run smoothly over them. They are sound sleepers, I assure you. And every few years a new lot is laid down and run over; so that, if some have the pleasure of riding on a rail, others have the misfortune to be ridden upon. And when they run over a man that is walking in his sleep, a supernumerary sleeper in the wrong position, and wake him up, they suddenly stop the cars, and make a hue and cry about it, as if this were an exception. I am glad to know that it takes a gang of men for every five miles to keep the sleepers down and level in their beds as it is, for this is a sign that they may sometime get up again. Why should we live with such hurry and waste of life?"
I'm not sure you guys know this, but sleepers are the name for those planks that they lay railroads with, so Thoreau is comparing our society to not only be physical sleepers, but metaphorical sleepers as well. Sorry, I didn't mean to give you guys an English lesson. I just thought this was very similar to the discussion about Dan's latest video.
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Post by zAkAtAk on Mar 25, 2010 22:59:21 GMT -5
I think zakatak is more saying that people should sit down and actually think about what they believe and how they live their lives rather than doing what they've been raised to do by their religion. For instance, if a religious book told you to jump off a cliff - you'd probably want to sit down and think about that just as you'd want to think about other things. THIS for the most part.
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Post by grover on Mar 26, 2010 13:02:28 GMT -5
oh gosh lets please not bring religion into this.
but I do just want to say that for mormons our very doctrine leaves him to be nothing but a male, not going to get into it, but yeah, nice try dan, but theres more to it than you realize.
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Post by Cortney on Mar 26, 2010 13:37:29 GMT -5
By assigning God a gender we are pretending God is an animal and has a gender.
I don't believe in the Christian God at all. I'm agnostic, and if I had to pinpoint a God, I'd say God is the miracle of existence itself. A concept. Concepts can't have genders. ;P
And a lot of religious folk ARE zombies, because they're raised in a church and indoctrinated with their religion. However, there are also a lot of religious folk who have thought it out and "soul searched," discovering they agree with what they were raised to believe (or a different belief entirely).
I think people who are religious because their moms told them to be are idiots. People who have somehow decided to be religious after sitting down and thinking through it have my respect, even if I do disagree with them.
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Post by grover on Mar 26, 2010 14:03:54 GMT -5
you will never find someone who will they believe in a religion because their mom told them to. everybody will have what they think is their own reason, and frankly I don't think it's possible for anyone save people with mental deficits to blindly believe in something without realizing it. everyone either will know why they believe something or attribute it to something supernatural (which isn't bad, that simply comes down to your opinion on such things)
sure people are influenced by other people, but how often to people have COMPLETELY ORIGINAL thoughts? not often at all, and I'm being generous with that answer.I simply think that people are too cynical about such things. the only people who dont think for themselves are the ones who don't care, or are not motivated for some other reason. sure, hate on them, but honestly, nearly everyone is capable of making an educated decision when given the correct information (which albeit doesnt always happen)
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Post by Cortney on Mar 26, 2010 14:28:24 GMT -5
Well I've already encountered many people who believe a religion because their mom told them to. I live in the Bible Belt, they're everywhere.
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Post by grover on Mar 26, 2010 16:23:35 GMT -5
they told you this?
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Post by Linus on Mar 28, 2010 6:33:14 GMT -5
you will never find someone who will they believe in a religion because their mom told them to. everybody will have what they think is their own reason, and frankly I don't think it's possible for anyone save people with mental deficits to blindly believe in something without realizing it. everyone either will know why they believe something or attribute it to something supernatural (which isn't bad, that simply comes down to your opinion on such things) So... what about those kids growing up in fundamental church societies, and who are learned from a very young age that they must believe in God, that are mislead into thinking there are no alternatives. Those kids believe in christianity just because their mom told them to, essentially. Not everyone gets the means to choose what they believe in. Fanatics are created this way.
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