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Post by Ryan on Mar 6, 2010 23:18:02 GMT -5
The beauty of a tribe is that while we are united under our leaders, should any of the leaders be unfortunately forced to abandon the tribe (due to any number of possible events that *knock on wood* never happen) then we can still function as a tribe and elect new leaders who can continue the tribe and its many projects.
Another thing is that though Dan Brown may have united us as a tribe, it is not just Dan who holds us together. If it weren't for moderators/administrators, any group of people, especially one of this magnitude, would rapidly crumble. The tribe will always need elected officials to hold everyone together and keep the original purpose of the SPOTM in full steam.
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Post by Cortney on Mar 7, 2010 10:09:14 GMT -5
...it is not just Dan who holds us together. If it weren't for moderators/administrators, any group of people, especially one of this magnitude, would rapidly crumble. The tribe will always need elected officials to hold everyone together and keep the original purpose of the SPOTM in full steam. That's pretty much what I think people are considering "power." This is a good summary of what we should be viewed as: not authorities or powerful leaders, but the mayonnaise in the sandwich of SPOTM, holding it all together. Everybody is a part of the sandwich too, but we just have that little extra role added in there. (Too many metaphors? Get over it!)
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Post by Breepop on Mar 7, 2010 12:01:03 GMT -5
Mmm, mayonnaise.
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Post by Dimstow on Mar 7, 2010 13:23:23 GMT -5
That's pretty much what I think people are considering "power." This is a good summary of what we should be viewed as: not authorities or powerful leaders, but the mayonnaise in the sandwich of SPOTM, holding it all together. Everybody is a part of the sandwich too, but we just have that little extra role added in there. (Too many metaphors? Get over it!) Lol, love the metaphor, and it makes since I do have 1 more more question however, though please don't take it the wrong way, I ask out of simple curiosity How do you become an Admin?
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Post by Cortney on Mar 7, 2010 14:13:39 GMT -5
The admins you see here now were chosen by Dan through an application process when we first started the moon.
As for future staff members, I can't say at this point.
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Post by runforthefinish on Mar 7, 2010 14:44:45 GMT -5
I believe our government is going to be like a Democracy but be run more like the documentary Us Now states. Dan has linked to the video before... Us Now Documentary: vimeo.com/4489849I think it will be more open and transparent, without the senate or parliment. The people would have the power not the elected officals. It goes back to the quote "A group is smarter than the singularity".
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Post by Joey on Mar 7, 2010 21:51:20 GMT -5
Without order, society implodes. Dan himself wouldnt be able to do everything so he needs help. Hence admins.
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Post by Tyrope on Mar 8, 2010 13:38:09 GMT -5
so long as everyone agrees to abide by the 50% plus 1 rule. honestly, although 50+1 isn't bad. I'd like to suggest a 60% majority need, so that it's a "defined majority", as we call it in Holland. if there isn't one, then it's a draw, this ofc can only apply to non-crucial decisions.
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Post by Ryan on Mar 8, 2010 14:09:44 GMT -5
In the US - under affirmative action - Women are considered a minority (and under the act get the benefits).
Women make up 52% of the voting population, and thus are greater than the 50%+1 majority. So it is described that women are the 52% minority.
This is just an example that basically says I agree with tyrope here, a defined majority is probably a safer bet as far as making community and governmental decisions.
It does also depends on the voting number though, b/c a 55% majority of 10000 voters is actually a lot more people voting than the same majority on a 100 person scale. Perhaps we could make a scaling function so that the number of voters affects the required majority to win the vote. What do you think of this as a possible healthy medium between defined majority and 50+1 majority?
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Post by Cortney on Mar 8, 2010 15:31:51 GMT -5
Depending on what kind of voting we're talking about, we'll need a pretty large majority for this to work. Probably more like 80-90%. If a large percentage of the members disagree with that's going on in the government of the forum, then either they'll leave or there will be hostility. We don't want that. Plus, everybody needs a voice, and 40% of the members being ignored is not acceptable.
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Post by runforthefinish on Mar 8, 2010 18:18:04 GMT -5
Depending on what kind of voting we're talking about, we'll need a pretty large majority for this to work. Probably more like 80-90%. If a large percentage of the members disagree with that's going on in the government of the forum, then either they'll leave or there will be hostility. We don't want that. Plus, everybody needs a voice, and 40% of the members being ignored is not acceptable. Courtney I agree whole heartedly with you, Ignoring 40% of tribe is unacceptable.
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Post by smiles on Mar 11, 2010 23:22:46 GMT -5
I was on these others forums for a while, and some of them were hidden to lower ranking members which is why I left. we do not need to be able to hide threads or I will leave the moon
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Post by Cortney on Mar 11, 2010 23:30:49 GMT -5
Smiles, we're not going to discriminate against members just for being new. No worries.
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Post by LegacyOfPaper on Mar 12, 2010 17:14:24 GMT -5
I am the sole member of the Pliantist party. Basically, I bend towards whatever the last reasonable argument made to me was.
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Post by fredrik on Mar 14, 2010 9:35:09 GMT -5
I think we need some rules for how voting is held:
Large enough majorities: this should be decided because of the reasons listed above. I would suggest 2/3 or 3/4.
Lower limits for number of voters: this would have to be set so that not three or four people could decide something. I would suggest maybe between 15 and 20 people here.
Lower time limits for a poll: this would be have to set to ensure that everyone would have the chance to vote. I would suggest (at least) 7 days for this, although exceptions could be make whenever necessary.
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Post by Tyrope on Mar 15, 2010 1:59:35 GMT -5
40% of the members being ignored is not acceptable. I agree with you on that point, but i never actually said we had to go with 60%, if we (and by we i mean, most of us) would like a higher %, then let's go for it. I only mentioned the 60% 'cause it is used here in Holland by official Votes and stuff. *new suggestion* 80%? (4 out of 5)
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Post by Cortney on Mar 15, 2010 19:59:26 GMT -5
Alrighty, now I have to ask a question.
When you guys are proposing these percentages, what are you thinking you'll be voting for? What kind of decisions do you think you'll be making? What do you think we should decide with our lovely Pogotribian democracy?
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Post by leviroseman on Mar 15, 2010 21:02:26 GMT -5
well we moved it to the new forum
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Post by fredrik on Mar 16, 2010 10:14:39 GMT -5
well we moved it to the new forum well, that's not the old one, that's the wiki, and as far as I'm aware of, nothing there is gonna move here because of the forums moving...
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Post by Cortney on Mar 16, 2010 21:26:38 GMT -5
Guys, not everybody uses the wiki. There can be the same discussion going on in both places. Keep discussing! =D
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