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Post by Ferrrrrre on Dec 5, 2010 12:14:26 GMT -5
Okay, I agree with the whole "we're not being very active over here" etc. but to say we're dead is a completly different thing.. I'll repeat the same thing I've always said in these kind of 'discussion'; we've only been out here 1 year max. We don't have any guidebook that tells us what to do.. This is just a rough period in our existance.. and TBH @ all the 'quitters': You're leaving the moon? Just because we can't fix some projects over here? Maybe instead of whining that this place is dead or that there aren't any projects, you'd rather: 1. stop being so centered around projects all the time.. I mean c'mon, yesh we want to decrease worldsuck and organise projects etc. but I believe the moon is also a project on it's own. We've met and we are talking to people we wouldn't have talk to/met if we weren't here.. Okay, the we're still growing towards perfection and organisation is a pretty overused argument but it's still true.. and if you don't believe in what we're doing here anymore then yesh, you should go.. BTW this place is more than just a forum to decrease worldsuck.. and a " not a Dan Brown fanclub".. 2. suggest or help us make this place less dead in your opinion.. Some of us seem to be proud of the tribe when we accomplish something but when we're getting a little inactive on the worldsuck part, they want to leave or rant about it.. Please..please check your level but if you want to leave, then I'm okay with it, as it is your choice but I might not with the reason why. (Ps. this is no attack to anyone in particular, I still love you awesome guys but this is just in generally to anything that involves quitting/dead moon..) EDIT: forgot to mention: most of us aren't capable of being 24/7 worlsuckdecreasers (yet!)
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Post by Camoon on Dec 5, 2010 13:43:25 GMT -5
Okay, I agree with the whole "we're not being very active over here" etc. but to say we're dead is a completly different thing.. Would a better word be DECLINING? I agree with this. I'm not centerred around projects. But projects is a big part of what makes this forum awesome, and the lack of members renders 90% of projects a failure. I also agree with this. Hence why I support ideas of getting vlogbrothers to promote this forum as an alternative. I have done that. Get Dan to promote us, or better yet, get Vlogbrothers to promote us. It's not to do with world suck, it's to do with active members. It's been declining since the beginning, and it will continue unless something is done. The point we're at now, is that projects are almost impossible to get off the ground. As if they weren't hard enough to begin with. And it's only getting worse. I'm not going to lie, I've changed my mind about quitting the moon after a few peoples suggested better alternatives, and after I realized Nerdfighteria wasn't that great. I love you too. Heh. Which is why we need more members. SO!! My new proposal based on all of this, is: We get nerdfighteria, and teh vlogbrothers, to help save the moon by promoting us, and making it one of their projects. Also we should find other youtubers that would want to support our cause, Wheezywaiter could be one. So no hard feelings to anyone I've pissed off, and I hope you agree with me on this one, because to me it seems like our last resort.
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Post by vichilux on Dec 5, 2010 14:44:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I like the idea of the vlogbrothers promoting and helping us, because I really would hate to leave the moon. So... the next step is ask them for help?
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Post by Rogers91 on Dec 5, 2010 14:56:02 GMT -5
asking anyone and everyone for help.. lets ask craig toby and phil to help us.. wait... i really doubt we will get a responce from anyone though.. this is dans baby and he droped it on the side of the road a long time ago...
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Post by Ferrrrrre on Dec 5, 2010 14:59:21 GMT -5
Just a question but why's everyone so anti-Dan on the matter of him not looking at the moon?
Didn't he say he wanted the moon to be(come) independent from him a while ago? :S
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Post by Breepop on Dec 5, 2010 15:06:30 GMT -5
Bree, have you considered that what with the multitude of similar threads on this topic that there may actually be a problem? theres aren't just isolated feelings, they are rapidly becoming general sentiment. so please don't be so quick in dismissing these claims. "this place sucks." Ok. We're all quite aware.I'm sorry the truth hurts Bree I'm sorry you think I'm some ignorant fool who is completely unaware of the state of things. I'm fully aware. I've been aware for months. But it's not the end of the world. It's not even the end of the Tribe. YOU'RE trying to push us to the end with this SHIRT, though. Jesus, why is it so terrible for us to just... interact? The forum isn't dead. Threads are still being made. Why do we constantly have to be doing something amazing for us to not be "dead"? If you don't like just hanging out, going with the flow, thinking positively and trying to help this Tribe succeed as it is, then get the fuck out, please. I really don't want you. I think you think trying to get us to abandon this place completely is helping. But I promise you, it's not. At all. I am fully aware that this place sucks. I really don't care. That's no reason to just leave and try to take others down with you. I've actually never heard that. Did you just make that up? Yes >_> This is literally the most upsetting thread I've ever read on The Moon. And that says so, so much. Seriously fucking pissed. If you think you've seen me rage before, oh... no. no sir. I cannot even believe you had the audacity to make this thread, Cam. You've lost every bit of respect you've ever earned. Or maybe I'm just angry. But seriously, wow. If you want to continue to discuss ways to help The Moon other than running around saying "omfg this place sucks" (as if we're all blind) or trying to encourage people to leave and give up, I have no issue. This post has no order. I apologize. Angry Bree is angry.
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Post by SwimFellow on Dec 5, 2010 15:11:35 GMT -5
Bree, I'm siding with you. This place is great. Even if we have a little bit of a problem with inactivity, we can push through. BTW, Camoon, I haven't know you well over the last few months, but I have lost respect every thread of respect to you and anyone who agrees with you.
OHAI, BTW, there might be a secret project coming up that has to do with this topic. *cough*Checkthesignature*cough*
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Post by austkyzor on Dec 5, 2010 15:33:04 GMT -5
I'm siding with Bree as well - partly because she scares me - but mostly because she's right
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Post by Rob on Dec 5, 2010 15:36:59 GMT -5
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Post by Ferrrrrre on Dec 5, 2010 15:37:38 GMT -5
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Post by Ricky on Dec 5, 2010 15:54:09 GMT -5
meh, the tribe is sort of dead. I agree with cam there is a lot more to be done at nerdfighteria, and the resources to do it.
Games are still fun though, and thats what keeps me around here too.
Honestly though, its kind of funny thats its Cam [the guy who worked on endless projects] the one admitting this, and Bree [no comment] defending the opposition. <---- (observation, not act of war)
but thats all I have to say...
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Post by newschooled on Dec 5, 2010 16:28:25 GMT -5
I agree with Bree in the sense that some people running in circles yelling "THE MOON IS DYING, THE MOON IS DYING!" doesn't help anything...And it's really more of a pessimistic attitude than fact.
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Post by Rogers91 on Dec 5, 2010 16:40:37 GMT -5
You know what i will say it again I am not leaving the moon and i will sit on my digital porch with my javascripted shotgun and i will defend my html driven home from you damn trojan posums...
ohh and i think that all who agree with the message this thread has given should do as it suggests and leave for we as the towns folk of the moon dont take kindly to your kind in our parts..
hmm okay that was strange to write.. ohh well
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Post by qooqǝɯɐƃ on Dec 5, 2010 16:47:33 GMT -5
Since we're all siding with someone, I side with Cam, not because we share the same name, but because I hate not doing anything. I think that's the difference between us and and Bree's side. Bree, for the last 3 months you've been content to let the moon lose members. Every time someone brings up this discussion you cut it down, without meeting the OP halfway, saying we could actually try to do something.
That's all Cam wants and myself and the others who post these threads that remind us of the state SPOTM is in. We're just not the kind of people to sit back, think happy thoughts and go along for the ride. We want to actively take control of things so we can be assured when all is said and done that we actually tried to do something, instead of having just hoped for the best.
So yea, I'm all on board for contacting the VlogBrothers, but I'm not sure that'll be easy. I think we'll need to go through Dan.
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Post by Breepop on Dec 5, 2010 17:11:33 GMT -5
Since we're all siding with someone, I side with Cam, not because we share the same name, but because I hate not doing anything. I think that's the difference between us and and Bree's side. Bree, for the last 3 months you've been content to let the moon lose members. Every time someone brings up this discussion you cut it down, without meeting the OP halfway, saying we could actually try to do something. I'm content with losing members because the members we're losing, quite frankly, suck. I like The Moon a looooooooooot more now than I did 4 months ago. I don't know if you were around 4 months ago, but this place was incredibly unpleasant. The drama was absolutely 100% non-stop, there was always bickering, always people spreading rumors, a stupid obsession over Dan, stupid trolls, and just plain disaster. Now, for the most part, that is all over. Excuse me for being happy that we're putting that sort of community behind us. (That is, until threads like these pop up... I'm sorry, but I'm sick and fucking tired of the pessimism and the complaining. If you don't like The Moon right now, please, for the love of all things good, just leave. I don't want you here. I really, really, really want you go. No, seriously. Fuck off.) Not everyone has to think like you guys. I don't find the number of people we have that important at all. I'm far more about quality, not quantity. I don't care if we get down to 10 people. In fact, that'd be pretty fun. We'd know those 10 people were extremely dedicated, and we could probably organize ourselves better. Have a Skype call. Get those 10 people invested. 10 people is a lot. It's so many people. I don't even think I have 10 friends in real life that would be willing to get together and work on something. We could have Skype calls and discussions in real time. We could individually recruit people for the Tribe whom we knew would be great additions. That sounds... awesome. I don't see what the big deal is. Why do you care so much that we're not the biggest forum ever? How is moping about it going to help? That's not to say I can't see why you do want more members. I do see. And that's great. I'd be happy with more (good) members, too. But instead of complaining, why don't you go ask your friends to join? We don't need 500 people to sign up to make this place great. In my opinion, it's a success if you go ask your mother to join and be active. One person is fine. Just one.
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Post by Me So Not You on Dec 5, 2010 17:21:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry you think I'm some ignorant fool who is completely unaware of the state of things. I'm fully aware. I've been aware for months. But it's not the end of the world. It's not even the end of the Tribe. YOU'RE trying to push us to the end with this SHIRT, though. Jesus, why is it so terrible for us to just... interact? The forum isn't dead. Threads are still being made. Why do we constantly have to be doing something amazing for us to not be "dead"? If you don't like just hanging out, going with the flow, thinking positively and trying to help this Tribe succeed as it is, then get the fuck out, please. I really don't want you. I think you think trying to get us to abandon this place completely is helping. But I promise you, it's not. At all. I am fully aware that this place sucks. I really don't care. That's no reason to just leave and try to take others down with you Please excuse the fact that I'm a complete outsider, and this is in fact my first post. But that's exactly the reason why I'm posting. A very good friend of mine was some time ago very enthusiastic about the pogotribe. She would keep me up to date with everything that happened and was rather committed. And it was definitely fun to to listen to. Now I never joined in because I didn't quite see the point in the pogotribe, actually, I didn't appeal that much to me. Let me explain. Every forum I've been part of so far has always revolved around something. Whether that be an online game, a certain hobby or even an online podcast. There's always a driving force behind any internet forum, and that is what keeps discussion lively and interesting, because there are new topics to discuss. Now the premise of the pogotribe in my rather isolated view is to become a succesful tribe and decrease world suck. I do know there's is much more to it than that but consider it the crude summary. But as has been pointed out as of late a large amount of people have quite and that makes it impossible to do projects, to achieve that goals or at least to stay entertained. Therefore, the driving force behind the pogotribe is draining. Therefore the point Cam is making isn't just that this place sucks and pointing out in an obvious way that there are fewer member every day. You probably are much more aware of that than I am. No, it's that regardless of how you might want people to stay to just socialize, and discuss youtube things, or debate in the debate forum, they won't. Because people didn't join to do those things, but to achieve all the goals and values that you know much better than I do. When that is no longer possible, it's only natural that they'll lose interest, because the pogotribe becomes just another internet forum, of which there are so many. Even though there's clearly a community that has been formed here, that alone is not enough to stop people from abandoning. And the people that oppose that motion, to either find a way of getting new members or moving to nerdfighteria, probably don't want that community to be lost. But if this place is only dieing, then isn't that a better solution than leaving altogether? It seems to me that in your (fully justified) sentimental value of the pogotribe you are trying to ignore a very serious problem. Just my two cents. As a side note, that final project seems like a way to get people committed again but probably won't solve the long term problem of member drain, but I haven't read the whole thread so I might be wrong.
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Post by Joey on Dec 5, 2010 17:21:06 GMT -5
Now, for the most part, that is all over. Excuse me for being happy that we're putting that sort of community behind us. (That is, until threads like these pop up... I'm sorry, but I'm sick and fucking tired of the pessimism and the complaining. If you don't like The Moon right now, please, for the love of all things good, just leave. I don't want you here. I really, really, really want you go. No, seriously. Fuck off.) EXCEPT FOR ME!!!
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Post by Breepop on Dec 5, 2010 17:30:44 GMT -5
Nah, picnic, you're doing awesome stuff now. You're cool.
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Post by bombmaniac on Dec 5, 2010 17:51:20 GMT -5
pay bree no mind, she enjoys stagnation.
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Post by Gesh on Dec 5, 2010 17:56:29 GMT -5
Hi, I'm Gesh, and some of you may or may not remember me. I was an active member of this community a while ago, and left because I found the members of the forum were... unappealing. Many people on this forum were actually jerks, and almost every time someone voiced their opinions, they would be shut down in a very rude manner. People on here seemed to be so forceful of their own thoughts, and even though they claimed to respect everyone and their values, that was not happening. For example, if a Christian started arguing against people being gay, then they would get yelled at for being exclusive of gays (and don't over-analyze that phrase, because "exclusive" isn't quite the right word, I just can't think of what is). But in fact, then the people who are shutting down that Christian are being total hypocrites because they are being exclusive of that person's religion (once again... exclusive, not really the word I'm looking for). And again, that's just an example. In general, people on here always seemed to be, quite frankly, mean. And I'll bet you that someone like Bree will reply to this thread in an angry tone, arguing everything I say, because that's just what she (and many others) always seem to do. I began to hate the moon because I hated feeling like I needed the approval of others to be myself, and that's why I left. And one last thing... I ask that you please stop acting like you guys are the only members of the PogoTribe, and people who aren't on the moon are simply "brownies." Every follower of Dan, whether on this forum or not, is a member of the PogoTribe. I am proud to call myself a member of the PogoTribe, however I am also proud to say that I am not a member of the South Pole of the Moon. That is all. I'm sorry if the whole tone of that seemed harsh, because it wasn't meant to be, but I felt like I needed to get it out there, so maybe some of you would see perhaps a couple reasons why you seem to be losing members. I wish you all luck in restrengthening your community, and I hope all goes well. I won't be returning, so don't expect any further replies from me.
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