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Post by thejourney on Apr 6, 2010 16:28:04 GMT -5
I believe abortion should be legal because it helps you shouldn't bring a baby into this world if you cant support it or in case its unhealthy for you to have a baby
post your own opinions
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Post by Johncoyne on Apr 6, 2010 16:35:20 GMT -5
It isn't right to kill anything. If you can't support it, then put it up for adoption. If you can't carry the baby because of medical reasons, then... I don't know. That's a tough one.
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Post by Lex on Apr 6, 2010 16:43:39 GMT -5
It's not a good idea, and it's not as if anyone wants to kill a child, but it should still remain legal. Women would get abortions anyway, in rather dangerous ways (i.e. coathanger method).
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Post by Joey on Apr 6, 2010 17:12:16 GMT -5
I think it should be illegal. Killing anything is wrong as conjoin said. We need to get a better adoption system in place first though. And make it manslaughter and/or child abuse so it would cause less people to do it.
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Post by thejourney on Apr 6, 2010 17:16:46 GMT -5
i would just like to give an example of for my point of view
a nine years old girl was raped by her stepfather she became pregnant she stopped eating and wasn't fit enough to carry a baby and was going to get a abortion but a lot of people were protesting outside her hospital saying she should have a baby that would probably kill her
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Post by Lex on Apr 6, 2010 17:21:25 GMT -5
I think it should be illegal. Killing anything is wrong as conjoin said. We need to get a better adoption system in place first though. And make it manslaughter and/or child abuse so it would cause less people to do it. Take a look at my post. Women are likely to have abortions regardless, and usually in a very dangerous fashion if it were illegal. If you don't like abortions, don't get one. It's as simple as that. I'd watch this before making comments like yours:
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Post by Joey on Apr 6, 2010 17:22:52 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm. thats a tough one. Well if it is a medical procedure that isnt an abortion, but will cause the baby to die, then I think it would be okay.
BUT, If it was just an abortion to save the mothers life, I dont think it is.
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Post by Lex on Apr 6, 2010 17:25:44 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm. thats a tough one. Well if it is a medical procedure that isnt an abortion, but will cause the baby to die, then I think it would be okay. BUT, If it was just an abortion to save the mothers life, I dont think it is. I'm sorry, that made no sense. You say that abortion to save a mother is wrong? That's ridiculous! Would you rather have them both die than the unborn, unthinking child to die? Believe me, nobody WANTS to have the abortion done. Contrary to popular belief, people don't celebrate abortions.
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Post by Joey on Apr 6, 2010 17:26:06 GMT -5
If you don't like abortions, don't get one. It's as simple as that. If you don't like murduring, dont do it. It's as simple as that. We can let murders go on murduring, but if you dont do it, you should be okay with it, right?
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Post by Joey on Apr 6, 2010 17:26:52 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm. thats a tough one. Well if it is a medical procedure that isnt an abortion, but will cause the baby to die, then I think it would be okay. BUT, If it was just an abortion to save the mothers life, I dont think it is. I'm sorry, that made no sense. You say that abortion to save a mother is wrong? That's ridiculous! Would you rather have them both die than the unborn, unthinking child to die? Believe me, nobody WANTS to have the abortion done. Contrary to popular belief, people don't celebrate abortions. If they would both die then yes, to have an abortion to save the mother would be okay in my eyes.
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Post by Lex on Apr 6, 2010 17:32:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry, that made no sense. You say that abortion to save a mother is wrong? That's ridiculous! Would you rather have them both die than the unborn, unthinking child to die? Believe me, nobody WANTS to have the abortion done. Contrary to popular belief, people don't celebrate abortions. If they would both die then yes, to have an abortion to save the mother would be okay in my eyes. Keep in mind that a fetus cannot survive without the mother. And to your other comment: keep in mind that abortions are performed within the first trimester - that's the first three months of pregnancy. Third trimester abortions are rarely performed usually only in life-threatening situations. Watch the documentary I posted (all three parts - I only posted part one), and then come back.
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Post by Joey on Apr 6, 2010 17:36:23 GMT -5
So they magically switch from blob to human after the first trimester?
EDIT: Ill watch it!
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Post by Lex on Apr 6, 2010 17:42:13 GMT -5
So they magically switch from blob to human after the first trimester? EDIT: Ill watch it! No. I don't really consider them to be completely human until they can function on their own outside of the mother's uterus. I was just pointing it out to show you that abortions are usually only performed when the fetus is in its earliest developmental stages (like before its brain even develops) which is contrary to the popular anti-abortion belief propaganda that the babies are aborted in the late pregnancy and their limbs are chopped off and stuff.
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Post by Nakor on Apr 6, 2010 17:45:16 GMT -5
Who said magically? At first they are only multi-celled masses with no cognitive ability. It is clear that at first foetuses are incapable of any sort of thought, emotion or feeling. It is not until the brain (for the first two) and nerves (for the latter) form that the foetus is capable of those things. Until then it is no more a living human than stem cells stored for medical use or research. Now, I'm not sure at what point those form or begin to form, but the medical community has come to a consensus over when abortion is okay, and at what point it's no longer ethical, and absent evidence to the contrary, I'm inclined to trust that judgment.
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Post by Joey on Apr 6, 2010 17:47:08 GMT -5
So they magically switch from blob to human after the first trimester? EDIT: Ill watch it! No. I don't really consider them to be completely human until they can function on their own outside of the mother's uterus. I was just pointing it out to show you that abortions are usually only performed when the fetus is in its earliest developmental stages (like before its brain even develops) which is contrary to the popular anti-abortion belief propaganda that the babies are aborted in the late pregnancy and their limbs are chopped off and stuff. Okay first of all I'm not 5. I know that it isnt late pregnancy abortion. And what are you trying to, whats the word, point out with those videos. I don't see what point you are trying to get across.
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Post by Lex on Apr 6, 2010 17:52:16 GMT -5
No. I don't really consider them to be completely human until they can function on their own outside of the mother's uterus. I was just pointing it out to show you that abortions are usually only performed when the fetus is in its earliest developmental stages (like before its brain even develops) which is contrary to the popular anti-abortion belief propaganda that the babies are aborted in the late pregnancy and their limbs are chopped off and stuff. Okay first of all I'm not 5. I know that it isnt late pregnancy abortion. And what are you trying to, whats the word, point out with those videos. I don't see what point you are trying to get across. My point is that women are going to try to get abortions anyway. If it's not legal and performed in a sterile environment by trained doctors and surgeons, then it will be done in an unsanitary environment by complete amateurs. Millions of women will die from botched abortions if it cannot be performed by a doctor. There's no way that anything other than allowing them to go ahead with the proper procedure will prevent those deaths.
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Post by JustAnne on Apr 6, 2010 19:20:47 GMT -5
I think abortions should be legal but just in the first trimester of pregnancy. Here in Germany, there is a law that says if a mother finds out her unborn baby is challenged or disabled and has some kind of genetic disease like trisomy 21, the child can still be aborted until basically the moment of it's natural birth. I think that's the only bad thing about abortion because no child should be worth less because of some disease and if the mother decided to have a baby, to me, it would be immoral to decide against someone because of a disease. Anyway, I just think that sometimes it can harm the mother more than it can do good for the child if she has it so she should be able to abort the child. And I don't think adoption is a solution for that problem because the woman would still have to go through pregnancy. And there are already too many children growing up under extremely bad circumstances.
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Apr 6, 2010 19:28:20 GMT -5
I'm pro-choice, but that doesn't mean I'm pro-abortion.
I don't agree with abortion, but sometimes it's necessary (in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother's health). I see abortion as a last resort and hope that people consider other options first, but if there's no other way, then do as you must.
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Post by Ryan on Apr 6, 2010 19:47:42 GMT -5
In all honesty.
If you are a male - YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER
at least as far as legalization. This is something that a woman has to decide, as it is her giving birth or not giving birth, it is her body, not yours. If you are a male and your partner is considering abortion then yeah - maybe your opinion matters a little, but under no circumstances should that affect everyone else.
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Post by stephen5000 on Apr 6, 2010 20:18:51 GMT -5
In all honesty. If you are a male - YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER at least as far as legalization. This is something that a woman has to decide, as it is her giving birth or not giving birth, it is her body, not yours. If you are a male and your partner is considering abortion then yeah - maybe your opinion matters a little, but under no circumstances should that affect everyone else. The problem then lies in the fact that most politicians are male, and they're the ones making the laws concerning this stuff. I do object to your exclusion of men on the point that by your logic, infertile women should also be excluded from the discussion. So deliberately excluding men and only men from the discussion is just sexist.
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