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Post by KipEnyan on May 13, 2010 16:40:49 GMT -5
What about animal-less lab meat? What do you all think of that stuff? Expensive "Meat" is expensive. Why can't we just eat as vegetarians the natural way? Also, Morning star burgers = AWESOMELY DELICIOUS FAKE BURGERS I take up a tiny amount of beef with you (PUNZ0RZ) with you claiming vegetarianism to be "the natural way". We are decidedly omnivores, so really there is very little "natural" about it.
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Post by Trey on May 13, 2010 19:02:04 GMT -5
Expensive "Meat" is expensive. Why can't we just eat as vegetarians the natural way? Also, Morning star burgers = AWESOMELY DELICIOUS FAKE BURGERS I take up a tiny amount of beef with you (PUNZ0RZ) with you claiming vegetarianism to be "the natural way". We are decidedly omnivores, so really there is very little "natural" about it. Let me rephrase; Let's not consume processed or artificial substances. What you eat is a choice. Whether your diet mostly consisted of meat, or mostly consisted of fruits/veggies, you're eating naturally. However, processed/artificial foods are not natural. Unnatural diets are often to blame for certain types of cancer and diseases, including Bowel Cancer, Prostate Cancer, Heart Disease, and Breast Cancer. I truly believe that humans are supposed to have a diet mostly consisted of veggies, anyway, and I'll tell you why. There are a lot of people who do not eat veggies nearly as often as they should, if at all. You ever notice that if you stop eating fruits and veggies all together, and your everyday life starts to turn a little south? You feel tired, it's hard to concentrate, it's hard to sleep at night, and it's hard to wake up in the morning. Maybe it's not like that for you, but it's like that for most people. The minute I introduce fruits and veggies again, I feel much better. By the time I wake up the next morning, I find it easier to wake up. I concentrate better, I have more energy, and I go to sleep easier. It's easy to say that I proved fruits and veggies are an important part of our diet, but not that meat is any less important. However, my argument is about to get a little interesting. When people cut meat out of their diet completely, they feel hungry more often. After a few days, the withdrawal symptoms subside. Cutting meat out is usually not a problem. The problem comes when it's time to introduce meat again. This is the problem a lot of vegetarians have. They decide to have a "cheat" meal, where they enjoy a delicious cheeseburger from Mickey D's, and they throw it back up the same night (Either that, or it's the screaming shits). Their body can't handle that much meat at one time, so it does what it can to get rid of it. The way I see it, meat is a survival food. Think of it like a bicycle chain. A rusty bike chain will keep you going, but it's not going to perform nearly as well as a well oiled bicycle chain that doesn't have any rust.
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Post by KipEnyan on May 13, 2010 19:49:08 GMT -5
You will actually have the same results if you totally cut out plant matter from your diet, which would admittedly be harder, but it really would have the same effects.
Vegetarians have that problem because your body notices that it's wasting precious energy and resources to make meat-digesting enzymes when no meat is coming in. Consequently, when meat is re-introduced, it's a rude awakening to your digestive tract.
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Post by Trey on May 13, 2010 20:21:32 GMT -5
You will actually have the same results if you totally cut out plant matter from your diet, which would admittedly be harder, but it really would have the same effects. Sauce pl0x
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Post by Nakor on May 14, 2010 11:28:30 GMT -5
I will certainly agree that there is a greater need for vegetables and fruit in our diet than there is for meat. This is not that it is a good idea to cut meat out -- I would argue it isn't. I merely mean that meat intake should be much lower than plant intake. An average person should only need around 0.5g of protein for each kg of body mass per day. So if you weigh 180lbs (80kg), you only need about 40g of protein. Remembering that meat is not the only source of protein (dairy has a lot for example, and vegetables have varying lower amounts) it's pretty easy to get there with a meat-light meal selection.
Exception goes to people who do any sort of serious exercising or weight lifting of course. For them the amount of needed protein can go up to anywhere from 1g-2g per kg body mass, depending on just how much working out they do. Generally they would want the extra protein shortly after a workout (like from protein shakes). The 2g/kg is only for really hardcore weight lifters and such of course; that's way over the limit for most people.
So the point isn't to cut out meat entirely, it's to bring it into balance. Bacon in the morning, cold cuts at lunch and a steak at dinner is overdoing it.
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Post by Trey on May 14, 2010 17:29:47 GMT -5
This is what my diet used to look like when I used to be much healthier:
Fruits in the morning Legumes for lunch, like bean burritos, black beans, etc.(typical lunch. Biggest meal) Snack on a variety of fruits/veggies throughout the evening repeat
Result? I lost my baby fat, my acne cleared up, and I felt better overall. I did this over the summer, but getting back into my school routine made it hard to keep it up, especially when the rest of my family are pretty much carnivores.
I'll be doing this again in the summer. When I go to college in the fall, I will hopefully keep at it since my carnivorous family won't be deciding what the grocery list is going to look like xD
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Post by KipEnyan on May 15, 2010 10:18:40 GMT -5
Agreed. It'd be healthier to focus more on fruits and vegetables than meats. I'm trying to slowly shift my diet away from an abundance of fatty meats, and more importantly high-fructose-corn-syrup-molded-into-different-shapes-nonsense-snacks. For instance, instead of some freezer mystery meat, right now I'm snacking on some delicious hummus.
DISCLAIMER: I will never denounce sweet deliciously unhealthy Burger King meat. Say what you will, the pseudo-endorphins they pump into that crap is drugworthily addictive.
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Post by Nakor on May 15, 2010 13:29:08 GMT -5
Quit eating it for a few months and then try one, and you'll probably hate it.
/remembers when Burger King actually made real burgers...
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Post by lydia on May 15, 2010 16:56:43 GMT -5
I'm a vegetarian and love it. Personally I don't even think our bodies are designed to eat meat. Humans are not omnivores. Our teeth, intestines, colon and stomach are more closely related to herbivores than omnivores. Because my facts are is going to be shot down you should read "The Comparative Anatomy of Eating" www.vegsource.com/news/2009/11/the-comparative-anatomy-of-eating.html
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Post by Trey on May 15, 2010 17:19:07 GMT -5
I'm a vegetarian and love it. Personally I don't even think our bodies are designed to eat meat. Humans are not omnivores. Our teeth, intestines, colon and stomach are more closely related to herbivores than omnivores. Because my facts are is going to be shot down you should read "The Comparative Anatomy of Eating" www.vegsource.com/news/2009/11/the-comparative-anatomy-of-eating.htmlI agree with this. However, I do believe in eating meat as a survival food
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Post by KipEnyan on May 16, 2010 12:53:10 GMT -5
Well if you want to go that kind of technical, we're really like.. fructivores. We're not great at digesting vegetables either unless we thoroughly cook them and such first.
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Post by Trey on May 16, 2010 14:51:49 GMT -5
Well if you want to go that kind of technical, we're really like.. fructivores. We're not great at digesting vegetables either unless we thoroughly cook them and such first. Sauce pl0x. Cooking vegetables basically takes away all nutrients. Eating too many fruits will result in weight gain and it will ruin your teeth. What's cool about veggies? You can eat AS MANY AS YOU WANT. Your body will tell you when you're nice and nourished.
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Post by jaw on May 16, 2010 18:08:26 GMT -5
Yeah, since going vegetarian i've been less hungry haha.
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Post by Lex on May 16, 2010 20:59:50 GMT -5
Never wanted to go vegetarian, never will go vegetarian.
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Post by lydia on May 18, 2010 17:52:00 GMT -5
When I became a vegetarian I was more hungry.
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Post by jaw on May 18, 2010 18:04:09 GMT -5
When I became a vegetarian I was more hungry. Well, i was hungry for like a week or two. After that I wasn't hungry.
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Post by erin132 on May 18, 2010 18:51:18 GMT -5
All I'm going to say is food chains baby lol AND I'm pretty sure we're omnivores haha gonna take my lecturer's word for it anyways I have no problem eating meat but I find that if I eat red meat I feel sick a lot of the time so I mainly prefer to eat chicken and fish. I would cut out meat altogether only that I'm anaemic so I need the Iron and also the ol problem of the men in my family loving meat haha oh well
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Post by Trey on May 18, 2010 19:12:33 GMT -5
All I'm going to say is food chains baby lol AND I'm pretty sure we're omnivores haha gonna take my lecturer's word for it anyways I have no problem eating meat but I find that if I eat red meat I feel sick a lot of the time so I mainly prefer to eat chicken and fish. I would cut out meat altogether only that I'm anaemic so I need the Iron and also the ol problem of the men in my family loving meat haha oh well Oranges have tons of iron
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Post by erin132 on May 18, 2010 19:18:32 GMT -5
lol not in quantities high enough though haha maybe if I just only ate Oranges, they are tasty!
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Post by kreacherxluver on May 18, 2010 19:26:15 GMT -5
I have been a Vegetarian for over two years and I love it. Ever since I saw some things from Peta and, from innocent web surfing found that weight loss is something that being a vegetarian can aid in. I made the switch instantly right before Easter. I believe that being a 'vegetarian' is a moral thing or a dietairy thing. For me it's mostly been moral that keeps me to the straight and narrow. Not that I have ever even considdered wavering. I know a lot about the life style but do have questions sometimes. I'd like to point out this guy, Onision. He is the extreme of most things, but anwsered alot of my questions about it even when I had been living the life for just over a year. Here's a playlist that adresses Vegetarianism and Animals' Rights: www.youtube.com/user/onisionspeaks?blend=2&ob=4#g/c/EC8625552CAE55F2wI agree with a lot of his opinions, but sometimes think he is a bit crazy. I know this might be weird, but what is your guy's opinion on leather? It is not directly consuming the animal, but... Thoughts? Laura
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