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Post by lucye90 on May 9, 2010 16:13:16 GMT -5
A healthy (or not so,) discussion that I hope hasn't already been discussed within the Pogo tribe. What are everybody's views on this diet choice?
Personally, I am pro-vegetarianism. I myself have completed weeks without meat, however I could not go completely vegetarian as I have the willpower of a fish on LSD. I also get really bad cramps due to a lack of iron in my system.
Tell me what you think!
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Post by kadie on May 9, 2010 16:34:05 GMT -5
I was veggie for a couple of years and I know many people who are. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with it and have never come across a person who does.
It is all in all a healthier diet option (according to my GP), I personally stopped because there was no real reason for my being a veggie, it was getting expensive to do separate meals for me and the rest of my family (all meat eaters) and there wasn't much in the way of veggie options a my school canteen.
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Post by Nakor on May 9, 2010 16:38:15 GMT -5
I seem to need a higher protein diet than most, or I always feel weak or shaky. It's possible to get that to some extent with vegetables (like legumes iirc), but having a bit of meat in your diet is far more effective. Given that I don't see a particular need to exclude meat (there are good points against how the animals are treated and such, but I think actually addressing the problems directly is better than just giving up on meat altogether), I'll keep eating it.
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Post by Trey on May 9, 2010 16:38:27 GMT -5
People may argue that meat is an essential part of our diet. I definitely disagree with this, however. What does meat have that we can't get from fruits/vegetables?
I used to be a vegan, myself. It didn't last long, because it's impossible to be a vegan in a house full of people who consume animal products. Hopefully I can do this again once I join the Navy.
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Post by kadie on May 9, 2010 16:49:02 GMT -5
I could never be a vegan - I love dairy products too much xx lol serious kudos to you if you manage it though x
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Post by RabbitWho on May 9, 2010 17:03:21 GMT -5
I admire vegetarianism but so often vegetarians judge you and shove it down your throat and somehow think they're morally superior. Actually they probably don't, but I feel morally inferior and that makes me uncomfortable. I tried to be vegetarian but i fainted a whole bunch. I only eat chicken.. so I've developed an elaborate mini-alternative reality in my head where chickens are the perpetrators of horrendous evil acts, and this world is their hell. That doesn't work and i feel even more guilty for supporting hell. So I just don't think of meat as something that used to be alive.
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Post by Trey on May 9, 2010 17:17:03 GMT -5
Diets high in fat and cholesterol (especially from animal sources) is a leading cause of colon cancer.
Calcium from dairy products can actually make osteoporosis even worse. spinach has tons of calcium. Eat that!
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Post by Lex on May 9, 2010 20:19:38 GMT -5
And everything causes cancer
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Post by sarahhsuee on May 9, 2010 21:30:25 GMT -5
I would never ever be able to be a vegatarian. I do alot of running, and I need my protein to heal faster, and to build the muscle. I COULD get my protein from other things, but it's alot easier to just have a steak to get my daily protein. Plus, I like my bacon, dude. From a religious point of view: In Genesis God told us to eat meat, so if you're Christian or Jewish, as most North Americans are, you can't say you think it's wrong. Those two ideas totally contradict eachother. You may be grossed out by it, or not like it, or just don't want to eat it. But it bothers me when people point to the Bible as a reason for their vegetarianism.
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Post by kshults on May 9, 2010 22:27:18 GMT -5
I've got nothing wrong with vegetarianism, in fact, I tried it on for size for about a month one time. Didn't have any problems with it at all. (To be honest, I've always preferred fruits and veggies to other foods... don't even enjoy eating junk food lol)
I am still a meat eater now though, which is odd, I don't like killing thins, I don't even swat mosquitoes when they start eating me, just shoo em away. I guess I've just adapted this "natural cycle" perspective... we're a omnivorous group of animals, us humans, and we get the best nutrition from all sources. We shouldn't be ashamed of what we eat... though, I'll say this. We should have respect for the animals we kill. The way some animals are treated prior to our enjoyment of them is absolutely abhorrent.
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Post by Nakor on May 9, 2010 23:02:45 GMT -5
And everything causes cancer Very this. I've lost track of everything that 'causes cancer'. It was tomatoes at one point (then not, then again, then not again). Last one I saw was children's slides. ~_~ I think it happens because cancer is so prevalent nowadays due to the age we reach. Since a huge portion of the population ends up with cancer, nearly everything seems to be associable with it.
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Post by Trey on May 9, 2010 23:29:58 GMT -5
And everything causes cancer Why do you think this is? I think I actually know the answer to this, too. We do so many things that are so unnatural to the human body, such as eating the amount of animal protein we eat, allowing our skin to be exposed to the sun for unnaturally long periods of time, and inhaling smoke at an unnatural rate. Cancer is a mutation. Now, why do you think your body would mutate? Think about it
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Post by Insane_Zang on May 10, 2010 3:09:09 GMT -5
I don't quite understand the point in vegetarianism. Is it some kind of protest about killing animals? Is it just to see if you like living without meat? I don't get it >.<
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Post by Trey on May 10, 2010 7:23:53 GMT -5
I don't quite understand the point in vegetarianism. Is it some kind of protest about killing animals? Is it just to see if you like living without meat? I don't get it >.< There are actually several reasons why people become vegetarians. However, protest is not really one of them. For one, meat is generally not good for you to eat at the rate we eat it anyway. Our ancestors mostly relied on plants for food. Two, it's to make an ethical commitment concerning animal welfare. People who stop eating meat for ethical reasons don't want to look down at their plate and know that what they're eating most likely went through great suffering. It's a personal choice, not a radical movement. Example: My dad grew up in the rural parts of Oklahoma. There was a time when he was about ten years old, that he was visiting his grandparents' ranch. He and his dad were walking along the fence where the cows were. His dad pointed at one of the cows and said, "That's what we're eating tonight, son!" Later that night, when he saw the steak on his plate, he couldn't eat it. All he could picture in his head was the seemingly content cow out in the field. He's been a vegetarian ever since.
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Post by Leo McGinnis on May 10, 2010 10:38:07 GMT -5
Well, it's obvious that even in this thread many have their reasons for being vegetarian (or even vegan). I can understand both the moral and health reasons. Myself, I'm practically a vegetarian, but that's only because I really, really, really don't like 99% of all the meat/seafood on the planet. I'll eat a McDonald's hamburger occasionally (not the Burger King stuff, don't like that for some strange reason). There's just something in meat that generally makes me want to gag, with maybe four or five exceptions. So usually I just tell people I'm vegetarian so I don't have to disappoint them when my gag reflex kicks in during dinner. On average I eat meat once a week or so. (and only said exceptions that have been proven to agree with me) Funny story: when I was eight years old, my parents put a few pieces of chicken on a plate (tiny bite-sized pieces) and offered me a buck for every piece I could eat. I didn't earn a single penny. I could not swallow the stuff. Still can't. I could definitely not be a vegan. I enjoy things like milk, eggs and cheese way too much. Cheese especially. And most replacement foods I plain don't like (things like tofu, yeast stuff, and almost anything soy-based). I'm somewhat conscious about my health, but only to a certain extent. I'm not going to radically change my diet and put in all that energy into something I really don't give a hoot about to live a few years longer if it means I can't eat many of my favorite foods anymore. I watch my caloric intake, am in good physical shape and I'm generally conscious about what I eat. For me, that's enough. That said, I do understand (and fully support) vegetarians and vegans when it comes to their personal reasons (be they moral, health based or both), just so long as they don't act like they're better than me and shove their beliefs down my throat. To each his own.
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Post by sarahhsuee on May 10, 2010 14:29:29 GMT -5
I've got nothing wrong with vegetarianism, in fact, I tried it on for size for about a month one time. Didn't have any problems with it at all. (To be honest, I've always preferred fruits and veggies to other foods... don't even enjoy eating junk food lol) I am still a meat eater now though, which is odd, I don't like killing thins, I don't even swat mosquitoes when they start eating me, just shoo em away. I guess I've just adapted this "natural cycle" perspective... we're a omnivorous group of animals, us humans, and we get the best nutrition from all sources. We shouldn't be ashamed of what we eat... though, I'll say this. We should have respect for the animals we kill. The way some animals are treated prior to our enjoyment of them is absolutely abhorrent. I agree that animal abuse is horrible. People say, well, they're gonna die anyway, so who cares. Uhm, I don't know about you, but I love my dog. I sure hope he is in heaven with me! I'd think the same would go for chickens or cows. I confess I swat at mosquitos and kill silverfish and mealy bugs when I find them in my house. I don't go looking for them so I can kill them, obviously. But I don't want infestations in my house or anything. Nasty...
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Post by Trey on May 10, 2010 15:42:54 GMT -5
When you know the methods used for killing animals in slaughter houses, you will probably be a little more hesitant about what food you take for granted. It's anything but humane.
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Post by Silverrida on May 10, 2010 16:19:11 GMT -5
People may argue that meat is an essential part of our diet. I definitely disagree with this, however. What does meat have that we can't get from fruits/vegetables? I used to be a vegan, myself. It didn't last long, because it's impossible to be a vegan in a house full of people who consume animal products. Hopefully I can do this again once I join the Navy. I'm sorry if this has already been addressed as I only read about half the first page, but this is incorrect. Protein gives you access to the essential Amino Acids. You are able to get these amino acids through vegetables, but you have to be aware of them and plan multiple meals or very large meals almost always consisting of beans to get them. If you practice temperance then you can eat enough vegetables to get the benefits they offer as well as enough meat to get the benefits that meat offers. There really is no dietary reason to be vegetarian, just moral reasons.
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Post by una on May 10, 2010 17:29:43 GMT -5
I'm a pescetarian, so that means I eat fish but exclude all other animal products. I personally hate it when (certain) vegetarians are completely against meat eaters. I mean, I understand that they have a passion for animals and that's great, but shoving their beliefs down other people's throats makes them no better than crazy religious people who do the exact same thing. For a period of time, my friends were cautious when talking about meat products in front of me or eating them because they thought I'd get offended. Honestly, I don't care. It's not to say that I don't care about animals, because that is one of the reasons I excluded most of the meat out of my diet, but I'm not about to cause a scene because my friend is eating a burger beside me. It's good that vegetarians are spreading awareness about the positive aspects of the diet, but they need to also learn that we live in a world where most of the people inhabiting it eat meat, and that they can't necessarily stop everyone from doing it.
But anyway, yeah, I've been a pescetarian for a bit over a year, and it hasn't affected me too much. My weight is the same (and it's a healthy weight), I've had blood tests done as a check up for my health and they've come back fine, and I feel fulfilled when I eat. So as far as I see it, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone and you're not brutally shoving your beliefs down another persons throat, vegetarianism is fine with me.
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Post by Trey on May 10, 2010 18:05:44 GMT -5
People may argue that meat is an essential part of our diet. I definitely disagree with this, however. What does meat have that we can't get from fruits/vegetables? I used to be a vegan, myself. It didn't last long, because it's impossible to be a vegan in a house full of people who consume animal products. Hopefully I can do this again once I join the Navy. I'm sorry if this has already been addressed as I only read about half the first page, but this is incorrect. Protein gives you access to the essential Amino Acids. You are able to get these amino acids through vegetables, but you have to be aware of them and plan multiple meals or very large meals almost always consisting of beans to get them. If you practice temperance then you can eat enough vegetables to get the benefits they offer as well as enough meat to get the benefits that meat offers. There really is no dietary reason to be vegetarian, just moral reasons. You should read a book called, "Eat to Live" Good Day
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