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Post by Nakor on May 18, 2010 23:16:00 GMT -5
I would personally double check anything PETA has to say about, well, anything. PETA has a lot of extremists, and aren't above doing some crazy things to win their point. (That said, their KFC "evil colonel sanders" logo is so hilarious, I think KFC should actually adopt it for the lulz.)
As for leather, if the animal was killed only for it, or was endangered, then it's a bad thing. The leather itself isn't inherently bad, but the method of collecting it can be in some cases. Optimally when any animal is being killed for meat or other purposes the hunter should make as much use out of the kill as possible. This is why seal trade embargos, for example, hold the northern native american tribes exempt, for whom seal hunting is simply how they eat -- they have only so many options up there. If they need to hunt the seals anyway, why should the pelts go to waste?
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Post by KipEnyan on May 19, 2010 18:28:38 GMT -5
^^^^ Indeed.
To the "eating as many raw vegetables as you want thing", it's really not good for you.
We lack the majority of "roughage" digesting complexes of more herbivoric animals.
That being said, we lack a lot of the systems that would allow us to digest a majority of meat.
We're really only good at cooked things and fruit.
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Post by thequirkyduo on May 19, 2010 18:52:10 GMT -5
I'm an off-and-on vegetarian and 100% healthy. I haven't been sick in ages and its been a few months since I've consumed meat. I'd say as long as you're careful to have a balanced diet, in terms of the vitamins and minerals you consume... vegetarianism is great. In general, the food you eat is actually healthier for you.
*thumbs up for vegetarians*
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Post by Trey on May 19, 2010 19:29:24 GMT -5
^^^^ Indeed. To the "eating as many raw vegetables as you want thing", it's really not good for you. We lack the majority of "roughage" digesting complexes of more herbivoric animals. That being said, we lack a lot of the systems that would allow us to digest a majority of meat. We're really only good at cooked things and fruit. This is only because we haven't built a strong digestive system. It's kinda like if you stop exercising for long periods of time, you're not going to run very far before you get tired. Then, it takes a couple of days to recover. I said something similar about eating meat, but it's much different. Raw veggies have a fiber called cellulose. Cellulose can be a rude awakening to your digestive system if you don't consume enough to keep your digestive system strong and healthy. Eating tons of raw veggies will give you some minor (as well as temporary) digestive issues such as bloating, cramps, and gas when you're not used to it. This will go away when you begin building a strong, healthy inner ecosystem. With meat, (assuming you're a vegetarian) your body will have such a hard time digesting the fat that it will literally get rid of it any way it can. I've done this before. It will come instantly, and it is unavoidable. It can last for hours, too! Pepto will not help it xD. We shouldn't eat the amount of meat we do, anyway, because a diet rich in meat will make your digestive system too acidic. Alkalinity is key to a healthy stomach
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Post by KipEnyan on May 19, 2010 19:49:31 GMT -5
Cellulose isn't something you can adjust to. Humans can't digest it. Period. It's part of our physiology that we can't digest cellulose, which is extremely telling to the fact that we're not supposed to just eat raw vegetables.
In that vein, it's more natural for us to eat meat, as we possess all the necessary enzymes to digest meat, if not the necessary safeguards to prevent affliction from meat-borne pathogens.
Still, I stick to my former statement that, from a purely physiological standpoint, we are fructivores.
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Post by Trey on May 19, 2010 20:05:59 GMT -5
Maybe we should stop eating everything since it's all bad for you xD Meat = leading cause in most cancers Fruit = too much will rot your teeth and make you gain weight veggies = contains cellulose, which no vertebrae can digest. (touche, btw I also standby my position. >
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Post by lydia on May 19, 2010 21:14:23 GMT -5
After I stopped eating meat I felt amazing. I stopped feeling sick at my stomach, I stopped getting random muscle cramps, I feel more alert, and less tired. The only draw backs are that I was ravenous for the first few days, and I have to eat a lot more before I feel full. I also need to be careful to take my daily multi-vitamin. Vegetarianism isn't for everyone and I think you need to consult a doctor before you make a considerable change to your diet.
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Post by erin132 on May 20, 2010 7:14:32 GMT -5
I'm just gonna say Im pretty sure we're omnivores haha meat doesnt really suit us, but cellulose etc really doesnt either. Perhaps once we were fructivores, but i think we've evolved into being omnivores. We need a bit of both to stay healthy. I take my hat off to vegitarians but I still stand by my point
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Post by Trey on May 20, 2010 7:34:07 GMT -5
I think we need to stop worrying about cellulose, considering there isn't a single vertebrae on the planet that can digest it.
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Post by KipEnyan on May 23, 2010 11:38:09 GMT -5
I think we need to stop worrying about cellulose, considering there isn't a single vertebrae on the planet that can digest it. Wrong again, mon amie. Quite a few vertebra tes can digest cellulose. While doing so indirectly, animals like cows and horses quite effectively digest cellulose through internal microbes, which is the same as them being able to digest it on their own, as the microbes are always present, and we humans depend on quite a few microbes for digestion as well. (Run-ons FTW) I'm not talking about dietary concerns, and I'm not talking about capability, I'm just saying from a physiologically optimal standpoint, we are fructivores.
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Post by Trey on May 23, 2010 11:50:37 GMT -5
I think we need to stop worrying about cellulose, considering there isn't a single vertebrae on the planet that can digest it. Wrong again, mon amie. Quite a few vertebra tes can digest cellulose. While doing so indirectly, animals like cows and horses quite effectively digest cellulose through internal microbes, which is the same as them being able to digest it on their own, as the microbes are always present, and we humans depend on quite a few microbes for digestion as well. (Run-ons FTW) I'm not talking about dietary concerns, and I'm not talking about capability, I'm just saying from a physiologically optimal standpoint, we are fructivores. Touche! We can consider ourselves fructivores, and I would be fine with that After all, we can get all the nutrition we need by means of fruit!
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Post by Nakor on May 23, 2010 12:03:48 GMT -5
For those arguing the point that we couldn't be fructivores/herbivores/carnivores/whatever because we wouldn't have survived long on only the limited diet, I would like to remind you of one thing. Back then we didn't survive long.
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Post by KipEnyan on May 23, 2010 12:23:44 GMT -5
For those arguing the point that we couldn't be fructivores/herbivores/carnivores/whatever because we wouldn't have survived long on only the limited diet, I would like to remind you of one thing. Back then we didn't survive long. Very good point. These absurd lifespans are a relatively recent occurrence. SEE: Last 100-200 years.
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Post by Trey on May 23, 2010 14:10:42 GMT -5
let's not forget that during the last 2000 years, poor nutrition, war, and weak immune systems were the cause of most people's deaths.
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Post by krzych32 on May 23, 2010 15:26:05 GMT -5
but plants also have souls :S I think we shoull only consume coal and rainbows.
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Post by jaw on May 23, 2010 15:44:08 GMT -5
If by absurd lifespans, you mean we live longer. I'd like to remind you, in the last 100-200 years we've made good advancements in the medical field. There where more incurable diseases and poorer hygiene back then.
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Post by Antarctic Ant on May 23, 2010 15:55:41 GMT -5
I am a vegetarian myself, and I don't really care about it. Most of the time I forget about it! My family is vegetarian as well and they have a complete healthy diet. Vegetarianism is something that shouldn't be made such a big deal off.
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Post by stephen5000 on May 23, 2010 17:15:34 GMT -5
but plants also have souls :S I think we shoull only consume coal and rainbows. Rainbows ARE delicious.
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Post by Nakor on May 23, 2010 20:55:43 GMT -5
Ew, no. Rainbows are just unicorn faeces.
>_>;;
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Post by kreacherxluver on May 24, 2010 11:17:35 GMT -5
Oh, and continuing the leather point, (Again sorry for reviving it) I'd like to ask a question. I am not okay with purchasing leather or using it or any other type of animal hide or skin. But;
What if somebody else has the leather? Like if you're at a neighbor's and their couch is leather or if somebody's car seats are made of leather? Or if somebody gives you a leather belt/wallet ectect.
What would you do?
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