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Post by Trey on May 24, 2010 11:24:46 GMT -5
Oh, and continuing the leather point, (Again sorry for reviving it) I'd like to ask a question. I am not okay with purchasing leather or using it or any other type of animal hide or skin. But; What if somebody else has the leather? Like if you're at a neighbor's and their couch is leather or if somebody's car seats are made of leather? Or if somebody gives you a leather belt/wallet ectect. What would you do? Do nothing. Owning leather doesn't make them a bad person. Feel remorse for the animals, but it's absurd to feel apprehensive towards the person unless they poach.
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Post by kreacherxluver on May 25, 2010 16:56:36 GMT -5
But I mean if somebody gives you something made of leather for a present or you are expected to use the leather seat provided. Personally I can think of nothing else but how disgusting it is but really there's no choice not to sit and bear it.
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Post by Trey on May 25, 2010 18:47:39 GMT -5
I guess you could bury the creature. I have no idea. We live in a world full of different cultures. Someone who is Hindu would probably gag every time they see a McDonalds or Burger King in the US.
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Post by qooqǝɯɐƃ on May 26, 2010 0:27:43 GMT -5
And everything causes cancer Very this. I've lost track of everything that 'causes cancer'. It was tomatoes at one point (then not, then again, then not again). Last one I saw was children's slides. ~_~ I think it happens because cancer is so prevalent nowadays due to the age we reach. Since a huge portion of the population ends up with cancer, nearly everything seems to be associable with it. The cause of most cancers is sugar, and simple carbs. Not fat. Nor red meat. The other cause is exposure to radioactive material.
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Post by qooqǝɯɐƃ on May 26, 2010 0:30:37 GMT -5
The vegetarianism debate is a controversial one. Second to the controversy over religion. Anyways, I believe humans are meant to eat meat. I understand the ethics of eating animal flesh but fact remains, it's in our genetics to eat meat. Our health fails without it.
I encourage anyone open-minded and interested to read The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith - a 20 year long vegetarian who had to give it up because of the health complications.
I'm almost certain that vegetarians won't read it, but I urge them to take a peek. I wish the title was more vegetarian friendly...
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Post by krzych32 on May 26, 2010 0:38:55 GMT -5
I say the animals deserve it. This is evolution for you, if the cows would work more on evolving bigger brains and less on being so delicions they would be EATING US! Unless they would stick to the grass of course.......
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Post by Trey on May 26, 2010 9:43:18 GMT -5
I say the animals deserve it. This is evolution for you, if the cows would work more on evolving bigger brains and less on being so delicions they would be EATING US! Unless they would stick to the grass of course....... You may as well quit while you're behind x]
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Post by Nakor on May 26, 2010 11:48:49 GMT -5
I say the animals deserve it. This is evolution for you, if the cows would work more on evolving bigger brains and less on being so delicions they would be EATING US! Unless they would stick to the grass of course....... Keep in mind that it's our fault they evolved the way they did. >.>;; They adapted to the environment of our ranches. You might call it 'unnatural selection' (akin to breeding dogs to have certain traits).
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Post by qooqǝɯɐƃ on May 26, 2010 13:52:59 GMT -5
I say the animals deserve it. This is evolution for you, if the cows would work more on evolving bigger brains and less on being so delicions they would be EATING US! Unless they would stick to the grass of course....... Keep in mind that it's our fault they evolved the way they did. >.>;; They adapted to the environment of our ranches. You might call it 'unnatural selection' (akin to breeding dogs to have certain traits). Cows were herbivores before we kept them on ranches. Animals like caribou, deer, bison, moose, buffalo and others are all herbs without the influence of humans.
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Post by Nakor on May 26, 2010 14:06:02 GMT -5
I wasn't referring to their herbivorous nature, but rather to their slow, easy-to-kill nature. The fact that they could not survive in the wild at this point, as cows are simply not sufficiently capable of protecting themselves against predators. krzych32 mentioned that they should evolve to outdo us, but I pointed out that they evolved to be subservient to us.
Evolution doesn't always favour staying alive, it merely favours replication of genes.
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Post by qooqǝɯɐƃ on May 26, 2010 14:58:19 GMT -5
I wasn't referring to their herbivorous nature, but rather to their slow, easy-to-kill nature. The fact that they could not survive in the wild at this point, as cows are simply not sufficiently capable of protecting themselves against predators. krzych32 mentioned that they should evolve to outdo us, but I pointed out that they evolved to be subservient to us. Evolution doesn't always favour staying alive, it merely favours replication of genes. Oh ok. But you may look at this two ways. 1. We are taking advantage of the animals. Or 2. Farmers live symbiotically with cattle in that they give the cow a place to live, food to eat, and a pleasurable life (if they are pasture raised, rather than factory farmed), while giving us milk or meat and hopefully for most farmers the pleasure of raising the cows. It's subjective, really...
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Post by Nakor on May 26, 2010 15:56:29 GMT -5
Indeed so, I wouldn't mean to argue from that point alone that it's a bad thing. For example, we bred domestic pets in that fashion, and it's fairly easy to say that we now live happily with each other to our mutual benefit. In the case of cows, I could understand why some people think otherwise, of course. I don't think the breeding was necessarily wrong, but the way many cattle are treated is.
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Post by KipEnyan on May 26, 2010 17:17:21 GMT -5
If by absurd lifespans, you mean we live longer. I'd like to remind you, in the last 100-200 years we've made good advancements in the medical field. There where more incurable diseases and poorer hygiene back then. SEE: My point. You have repeated it.
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Post by redkneehighsocks on May 27, 2010 7:27:38 GMT -5
not sure if i've alredy said this.....
<-- vegetarian. deal with it
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Post by tveir on May 27, 2010 21:42:34 GMT -5
It's cheaper, it gives you incentive to learn to cook, it'll give you an excuse to avoid junk food, it's a cheap way to gain perspective, it is a silent protest to the horrible state of the animal industry in later years.
Started out by giving up fish (which is nearing extinction at an alarming rate, which, as opposed to, say, pork, cannot be defended with any arguments of humans needing to eat fish, since we cannot have what doesn't exist anymore), inspired by that old Ghandi quote "You need to be the change you want to see in the world."
Gave up meat mostly as a social experiment, but I expect it will end up being permanent, because I have never once regretted it.
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Post by redkneehighsocks on May 28, 2010 3:02:44 GMT -5
i think more people should change their views on vegetarianism. I went to a confence a few day ago, and alot of the time they were making fun of vegetarians. saying how we have no energy and so forth. I found it very offensive.
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Post by KipEnyan on May 30, 2010 17:11:08 GMT -5
People who haven't read the last 5 pages of debate on the subject are now jumping in. Deja vu imminent.
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Post by Nakor on May 30, 2010 21:21:18 GMT -5
lol, threads get like that after a while. It's something you get used to if you debate topics a lot though. If you debate in favour of vegetarianism much, expect to hear the same arguments over and over and over regarding it. It's not because people aren't learning; it's because you're not talking to the same people every time. It's the same with any other topic of debate. It does get tiresome sometimes, and that just means you need a break from it.
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Post by earth on May 30, 2010 21:55:39 GMT -5
response to original question: im all for vegetarianism and i would be vegetarian but i kinda grew up with meat. but its not like im against a meat diet, i accept ayones diet, and i try to be as open as possible, but i'd like to be vegetarian as much as possible.
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Post by redkneehighsocks on May 30, 2010 21:57:26 GMT -5
People who haven't read the last 5 pages of debate on the subject are now jumping in. Deja vu imminent. Im sorry, i don't get much time on here forgive me
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