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Post by jmejia1187 on May 27, 2010 14:56:14 GMT -5
I don't think I've heard about many deaths/injuries/mental instability due to the discovery that Santa's not real. Just pretty bummed until you get more SHIRT from your parents the next year. Yeah, sure... Lying to kids is harmless.... Lets just break their hearts by telling them Santa is real, then telling him he is not... Also lets take advantage of their easily gullible minds, and the fact that they don't understand someone can fly all around the world in one night....
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Post by Joey on May 27, 2010 14:58:09 GMT -5
But have you heard any deaths relating to believing in creationism?(the crusades weren't About it, that was about the holy land, so no)
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Post by krzych32 on May 27, 2010 15:03:46 GMT -5
pjpinc123, but eventually every child realizes that santa doesn't exists.....
Don't get my wrong, I am a believer myself (not to call it a chrisitan, but I'm part of the Catholic church). But even as a christian, I do realize that I may be wrong, and even as a christian, I'm looking for logical arguments supporting my standpoint.
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Post by jmejia1187 on May 27, 2010 15:05:39 GMT -5
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Post by RandiKthxxx on May 27, 2010 15:07:28 GMT -5
I don't think the creationism aspect of Christianity is what caused the Crusades.
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Post by Joey on May 27, 2010 15:13:34 GMT -5
I am looking for logical arguments to support my beliefs.
And I keep saying it I FREAKInG agree that it shouldn't be taught in science class rooms! I agree that it shouldn't be taught anywhere! What I'm saying is that you can't make someone believe what you want, and that you can't slam them. I believe in evolution, but some of my friends don't. I don't tell them that they are stupid and shouldn't believe that. I tell them it isn't logical at all, but I let them believe what they want, because it's their life.
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Post by Joey on May 27, 2010 15:14:18 GMT -5
I don't think the creationism aspect of Christianity is what caused the Crusades. that's what I said
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Post by jmejia1187 on May 27, 2010 15:15:55 GMT -5
I am looking for logical arguments to support my beliefs. And I keep saying it I FREAKInG agree that it shouldn't be taught in science class rooms! I agree that it shouldn't be taught anywhere! What I'm saying is that you can't make someone believe what you want, and that you can't slam them. I believe in evolution, but some of my friends don't. I don't tell them that they are stupid and shouldn't believe that. I tell them it isn't logical at all, but I let them believe what they want, because it's their life. Good! Now that we all agree that everyone should live their own life without the influence of others we can close the thread.
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Post by Joey on May 27, 2010 15:15:58 GMT -5
He had depression and wasn't treated. That's not the same thing.
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Post by Joey on May 27, 2010 15:17:20 GMT -5
I am looking for logical arguments to support my beliefs. And I keep saying it I FREAKInG agree that it shouldn't be taught in science class rooms! I agree that it shouldn't be taught anywhere! What I'm saying is that you can't make someone believe what you want, and that you can't slam them. I believe in evolution, but some of my friends don't. I don't tell them that they are stupid and shouldn't believe that. I tell them it isn't logical at all, but I let them believe what they want, because it's their life. Good! Now that we all agree that everyone should live their own life without the influence of others we can close the thread. where's a woman so I can get a sammich?
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Post by RandiKthxxx on May 27, 2010 15:17:26 GMT -5
Murder is murder. The motive doesn't make it any worse.
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Post by jmejia1187 on May 27, 2010 15:17:32 GMT -5
He had depression and wasn't treated. That's not the same thing. He was a creationist who killed someone who wasn't a creationist because they didn't believe in god and believed in evolution. His mental state was irrelevant to his reasoning
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Post by krzych32 on May 27, 2010 15:25:30 GMT -5
jmejia1187, I have to disagree, one case doesn't make it a standard. I could very well find a case where a believer was killed by an atheist, but that doesn't mean that not-believing is now dangerous.
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Post by Joey on May 27, 2010 15:26:40 GMT -5
He had depression and wasn't treated. That's not the same thing. He was a creationist who killed someone who wasn't a creationist because they didn't believe in god and believed in evolution. His mental state was irrelevant to his reasoning couldn't his reasoning just have given him a reason to kill himself? An outlet so to speak?
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Post by jaw on May 27, 2010 15:30:36 GMT -5
Evolution is a theory which leads to hypothesis which can be tested. Evolution itself is based on facts. Creationism is based on an idea with no factual backing and the hypotheses it generates can be falsified. If creationism is true then all animals should have very different DNA, because they were all made independently by the hand of god. However Bonobos are our closest cousins, next to the chimpanzees. If creationism was true we wouldn't be able to measure these DNA relationships. So creationism is false. You can do this with just about any hypothesis brought out by creationism. I'd like to add that we are related to EVERYTHING. We are 40% related to trees, 97% related to chimpanzees, and i think 2% related to viruses.(Not sure) And EVERY living creature's DNA has the same make-up which is A,T, G, and C. I would also like the add that the people in that video (I believe) are being brainwashed and deprived of education for the sake of belief, not science.
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Post by jmejia1187 on May 27, 2010 15:34:31 GMT -5
jmejia1187, I have to disagree, one case doesn't make it a standard. I could very well find a case where a believer was killed by an atheist, but that doesn't mean that not-believing is now dangerous. I was just answering pjpinc123's question: But have you heard any deaths relating to believing in creationism? My answer was yes, and i posted evidence. I never said it was standard procedure for creationists to kill atheists.
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Post by krzych32 on May 27, 2010 15:36:37 GMT -5
Its true, the pople there believe in creationism because they don't really understand it. They were not given a proper education to understand it. The best example is the last guy that speaks out. What he said is that Black people couldn't evolve from white people, and he is right, they evolved from a common ancestor, but of course their theacher is not stepping in and telling him THAT.
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Post by krzych32 on May 27, 2010 15:39:52 GMT -5
we should get an IRC channel!
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Post by jaw on May 27, 2010 15:41:18 GMT -5
Its true, the pople there believe in creationism because they don't really understand it. They were not given a proper education to understand it. The best example is the last guy that speaks out. What he said is that Black people couldn't evolve from white people, and he is right, they evolved from a common ancestor, but of course their theacher is not stepping in and telling him THAT. I remember learning that we were probably all black when we still lived on Pangaea, due to the sun. (Black people don't get sunburns ;]) And then when the earth split up we changed different colors accordingly. (Could be wrong, lemme know if it is)
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Post by jmejia1187 on May 27, 2010 15:44:48 GMT -5
Evolution is a theory which leads to hypothesis which can be tested. Evolution itself is based on facts. Creationism is based on an idea with no factual backing and the hypotheses it generates can be falsified. If creationism is true then all animals should have very different DNA, because they were all made independently by the hand of god. However Bonobos are our closest cousins, next to the chimpanzees. If creationism was true we wouldn't be able to measure these DNA relationships. So creationism is false. You can do this with just about any hypothesis brought out by creationism. I'd like to add that we are related to EVERYTHING. We are 40% related to trees, 97% related to chimpanzees, and i think 2% related to viruses.(Not sure) And EVERY living creature's DNA has the same make-up which is A,T, G, and C. I would also like the add that the people in that video (I believe) are being brainwashed and deprived of education for the sake of belief, not science. But we are not CLOSELY related to everything. By the way, Nakor posted a great video about different modes and methods used to prove evolution. Not just one. Creationism is theology. Okay believe in it if you want. Fine. Science is statistics and fact. I will put my money on the numbers and p values
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