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Post by Insane_Zang on Feb 8, 2011 9:50:33 GMT -5
It obviously does. I've met people who feel that way as well, which is why I made the thread
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Post by austkyzor on Feb 8, 2011 11:49:33 GMT -5
I was referring to Thing is - Japan was willing to conditionally surrender already. The US refused to listen. Ah - that I can't link to unless you've got access to JSTOR - even then, I need to find the article - I made the same argument in the essay - and I have the properly cited reference there as well.
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Post by austkyzor on Feb 8, 2011 11:51:37 GMT -5
Can you link to that? I don't think I've ever read about it. X2 Aust, every nation is trying to re-write history to their liking. Your facts are simply wrong. Really now? You making that argument? Just because I'm arguing against it, you're going to assume I used a Japanese source? Every source I used was American. Nice try.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Feb 8, 2011 11:56:03 GMT -5
Wait, what's jstor?
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Post by Insane_Zang on Feb 8, 2011 12:59:09 GMT -5
Ok, looked it up. Basically, you're citing something that we can't check for proof. Well done, sir. Can you find a different link?
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Post by Alex on Feb 8, 2011 15:32:27 GMT -5
We got them with "revenge". Really, Japan punched us, and we shot them in the face. It was completely ridiculous, and the only reason why we haven't been bombed yet is because Japan has common sense.
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Post by Lyserg Zeroz on Feb 8, 2011 15:40:31 GMT -5
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Post by Lex on Feb 8, 2011 17:26:26 GMT -5
We got them with "revenge". Really, Japan punched us, and we shot them in the face. It was completely ridiculous, and the only reason why we haven't been bombed yet is because Japan has common sense. People have a tendency to do SHIRT like that. It's revenged combined with the need for a bigger stick. As someone with Japanese ancestry, and a pacifist, I'm very much inclined to say it was completely unnecessary. 200,000 innocents died. You just don't do SHIRT like that, it's tyrannical.
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Post by austkyzor on Feb 8, 2011 18:08:25 GMT -5
@lex - Unfortunately - for me anyways - having Japanese ancestry has sometimes set me back in my arguments - coming to Trent helped - I don't know what it's like in Winnipeg, but Trent is certainly the most accepting University in Ontario - especially given it's location.
And - like I said before - the US didn't do it to force surrender from Japan - they did it to scare Russia
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Post by Insane_Zang on Feb 8, 2011 18:56:19 GMT -5
We got them with "revenge". Really, Japan punched us, and we shot them in the face. So?
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Post by Insane_Zang on Feb 8, 2011 18:57:04 GMT -5
It seems it took them a while to decide on peace treaties. A year an a half? We waited long enough
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Post by Insane_Zang on Feb 8, 2011 18:59:31 GMT -5
And - like I said before - the US didn't do it to force surrender from Japan - they did it to scare Russia Can I get a link to this as well? Also JSTOR is just opinions. Papers written by people. Find me some facts.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Feb 8, 2011 19:00:50 GMT -5
Last one They were, in all likelihood, going to commit genocide on the Japanese people Why didn't we? What stopped us?
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Post by austkyzor on Feb 8, 2011 20:06:10 GMT -5
"We've waited long enough"? By that logic, the US should invade/nuke Iran, North Korea, and Cuba
JSTOR is a collection of peer-reviewed articles from academic journals. Written by people with Masters and PhDs. It is not "pure opinion". Every single Journal I have access to on JSTOR is fact-based. Regardless of anything else, all research articles have an opinionated bias. No Exceptions.
Lastly - what stopped the US from invading Japan, and possibly committing genocide was 4000 kg, impacted at 19 kilotons, and was carried by an aeroplane called Enola Gay, followed a few days later by another object that was 4600 kg, impacted at 21 kilotons, and was carried by Bockscar. Japan surrendered unconditionally after that.
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Post by austkyzor on Feb 8, 2011 20:08:03 GMT -5
Also - I can't link you to something you're not authorized to read. I'd LOVE to link you to any number of peer-reviewed articles, but the fact remains that neither you, nor your school, have paid for the privilege.
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Post by Lyserg Zeroz on Feb 8, 2011 20:11:11 GMT -5
It seems it took them a while to decide on peace treaties. A year an a half? We waited long enough Well, wars don't exactly last one day, so that kind of thing may take time 0.0, but even so, it is said there that the efforts for peace started on april of the same year of the bombing.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Feb 8, 2011 20:32:19 GMT -5
"We've waited long enough"? By that logic, the US should invade/nuke Iran, North Korea, and Cuba ...yup
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Post by Insane_Zang on Feb 8, 2011 20:32:35 GMT -5
Also - I can't link you to something you're not authorized to read. I'd LOVE to link you to any number of peer-reviewed articles, but the fact remains that neither you, nor your school, have paid for the privilege. Then find something else
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Post by Insane_Zang on Feb 8, 2011 20:33:32 GMT -5
It seems it took them a while to decide on peace treaties. A year an a half? We waited long enough Well, wars don't exactly last one day, so that kind of thing may take time 0.0, but even so, it is said there that the efforts for peace started on april of the same year of the bombing. That's still months. They could have said "Hey, we're working out peace treaties. Please don't bomb us yet"
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Post by austkyzor on Feb 8, 2011 21:17:50 GMT -5
What part of "nobody knew about the bombs" escapes you?
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