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Post by Freddy on Jul 30, 2010 11:07:04 GMT -5
I personally like macs for many reasons. It's true that they're unnecessarily expensive (and with somewhat inferior hardware), but I still like them nonetheless. But that's not the point.
Whenever there's the chance, a Mac vs. PC argument starts anywhere. Why can't we just stop fighting? If you've got a PC, great. If you have a Mac, it's also great. MOVING ALONG!!
Instead of starting with "PCs pwn" or "Macs are better-er" we should focus in the actual thing that started the argument (instead of trying to solve it, which apparently is impossible), which in this case was "Should we make Dan get a PC?" which in my opinion would be no, because a) he already has a mac, b) he's used to his mac, c) no one would benefit from this, d) it would fuel an even bigger Mac vs PC discussion.
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Post by pccoalition on Aug 2, 2010 1:03:52 GMT -5
In answer to that: a) We can hopefully agree that Macs are better than PCs in some ways and vice versa. If Dan had a PC as well as his Mac he could have the good parts of both. b) He's used to his Mac... and he can carry on using it c) He would for reason a) d) No it wouldn't, if he got a PC it would end the Mac v PC discussion that has happened here
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Post by Rogers91 on Aug 2, 2010 1:57:28 GMT -5
the last one is where you are wrong.. you see dan 3.0 is not a moon members only thing. every one can see it.. (hopefully you are following where i am going with this) after the dan gets pc idea has been posted on dan 3.0 it will start debate and a war between those who are voteing ideas. easliy it could spread through out different communities.. (things like this usualy only happen when one of the companies get a new product out.) in theory this could start flaming and hurt dan 3.0 in the process.. (people and the internet are very mean.) this of course might not even be an issue but should be kept in mind and in the least make you consider not posting it till later on..
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Post by pccoalition on Aug 2, 2010 16:48:04 GMT -5
Frcpeda was talking about him actually getting the PC, not the posting of the suggestion.
But in reference to that (correct me if I'm wrong) there's not really any place on the site where suggestions will be posted for people to flame on. The only place where people could flame would be here, and many SPOTM regulars already know about this. Sorry if I'm wrong about a few things.
And to that last bit we are planning on posting in week three.
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Post by Freddy on Aug 2, 2010 17:04:42 GMT -5
why don't you just have him install windows over boot camp? I wouldn't vote for that idea but it makes more sense than buying a new computer.
And believe me, flame wars are EVERYWHERE. I bet that if/when you post that suggestion another flame war will begin in the comment section of the idea. :/
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Post by swiftthefox15 on Aug 2, 2010 17:23:08 GMT -5
add me YT: SwiftTheFox15
some1 need to make that task
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Post by mrretrofire on Aug 2, 2010 17:31:28 GMT -5
Are we still on this?
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Post by Centribo on Aug 2, 2010 17:34:37 GMT -5
GET A PC NAO! YT: Centribo
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Post by mrretrofire on Aug 2, 2010 17:36:55 GMT -5
Here is the task for the pc coalition-http://revision3.com/dan30/task/have-dan-get-a-pc-not-to-replace-his-mac-
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Post by pccoalition on Aug 3, 2010 7:06:18 GMT -5
We are still in this, however, as is said on the description, the username 'pccoalition' will be making the suggestion in around week three, when the first multitude of suggestions have come and gone.
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Post by badocelot on Aug 3, 2010 21:37:09 GMT -5
As someone who is switching back to PC from Mac (actually, mainly switching to Linux), I want to add my voice to the dissenters. No one seems to have supplied a good reason why Dan needs a second computer of any sort.
Unless the goal is either for him to play online games with the community (in which case an Xbox 360 or PS3 would be much more affordable), or to cast off the shackles of proprietary software (which would make the video blogging bit hard), I don't see the point.
UPDATE: I am in favor of him using Linux for a period, but he could do that on his Mac in VirtualBox or VMWare.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2010 22:26:40 GMT -5
no offense, but this is really stupid.
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Post by pccoalition on Aug 7, 2010 7:29:51 GMT -5
Badocelot, how would the video blogging bit become hard when he could do it exactly the way he did it before?
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Post by nashod on Aug 7, 2010 8:12:43 GMT -5
i just see no point in him buying a PC (though i don't have a mac and prefer using ubuntu...) it's just an unnecessary spend of money (i don't know what are the pc prices in hos area but let's say a good PC would cost 400$ if he get's a linux OS that's all he has to spend and if he gets a windows it's 300$-600$ adding software prices let's say he has to pay another 300$ it ends up as 1000$-1300$ spent on a PC he has no use for and he could do so much more with them)
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Post by pccoalition on Aug 9, 2010 6:59:45 GMT -5
No one's saying he has to get a good PC - if he doesn't want to spend too much money he could just get a cheap one.
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Post by fredrik on Aug 9, 2010 8:41:59 GMT -5
No one's saying he has to get a good PC - if he doesn't want to spend too much money he could just get a cheap one. But no matter how cheap computer he gets, it's still an unnecessary spend of money And you haven't given us a single reason why Dan needs a new computer, therefore this whole idea is stupid, and it will be until someone actually gives us a reason.... As one of the supporters of this coalition said: There isnt really a reason. ^ Exactly. You go around saying that "Dan should buy a PC", but instead you're all like "he really shouldn't, but we just want him to, because PC's are sooo much better than everything else, Mac's suck and we just want him to waste money on something he really doesn't need, without having any reason for doing so." Don't you see how ridiculous this is? We can hopefully agree that Macs are better than PCs in some ways and vice versa. If Dan had a PC as well as his Mac he could have the good parts of both. ^ Read what RadicallyBlue has said before this: The problem is not wasting money on a PC, but wasting money on something Dan Brown already has. I propose you an alternative idea: - Make Dan get virtualization software (like Paralels) and Windows so he can install it "side by side" with Mac.
This has the advantage of making him not waste money in hardware he already has, and provides the advantage of him being able to use both OSes at the same time, even making the learning process faster, better, stronger. you know not answering why actualy feeds the war alot more than just answering the question. ^ This is why this argument is still going on... And lastly.... THIS WHOLE IDEA IS STUPID
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Post by Raydawn on Aug 9, 2010 15:12:00 GMT -5
well said fred!
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Post by pccoalition on Aug 10, 2010 1:36:10 GMT -5
We're not "all" saying there is no reason, that was just one person whose views do not necessarily represent the coalition's.
It is false that not giving a reason is fuelling the Mac v PC war, if I gave all of my reasons everyone would think of something against them and say "no! that's not true!" and basically a larger argument would ensue.
And I have given a reason - so he can have the good-quality of both computers! I have used windows on a Mac before and it was very bad, you basically need to use it on a PC.
"The problem is not wasting money on a PC, but wasting money on something Dan Brown already has." Are you joking? Dan Brown does not have a PC!
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Post by fredrik on Aug 10, 2010 8:52:14 GMT -5
We're not "all" saying there is no reason, that was just one person whose views do not necessarily represent the coalition's. Well, okay, but noone has given a reason for getting a computer (most are actually about running Windows, which, as RadicallyBlue said, you can do on a Mac). It is false that not giving a reason is fuelling the Mac v PC war, if I gave all of my reasons everyone would think of something against them and say "no! that's not true!" and basically a larger argument would ensue. Umm...if so, then they are probably bad reasons anyway. And I have given a reason - so he can have the good-quality of both computers! As I already said in my previous post: The problem is not wasting money on a PC, but wasting money on something Dan Brown already has. It's like buying both an iPhone and an Android phone. They're both phones. They do the same things. But you just want "the best of both worlds". The same applies to Macs and PCs: they're both computers. They do exactly the same things (they compute). There's very few things you can do on a PC that you cannot do on a Mac, and vice versa. Actually, unless you have some super high-end PC, then you can do everything you can do on a PC on a Mac (through either virtualization software or Boot Camp). Therefore it is unnecessarily wasted money to buy a PC. I have used windows on a Mac before and it was very bad, you basically need to use it on a PC. Well, that's a start. This is actually a reasonably good argument. "The problem is not wasting money on a PC, but wasting money on something Dan Brown already has." Are you joking? Dan Brown does not have a PC! As I already said, Macs and PCs are the same thing, they're both computers and does exactly the same things. That's what he meant, that's what I mean, that's what you don't realize.
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Post by Danielle on Aug 10, 2010 10:17:07 GMT -5
I have used windows on a Mac before and it was very bad, you basically need to use it on a PC. Really? It ran just fine on mine before I removed it. I didn't need it taking up space and anything I needed to use on it, I just used on my Mac OS. It was a waste of money, temporary space, and time. It was easier to do every thing on the Mac side.
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