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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 27, 2010 20:51:41 GMT -5
everybody takes medicine, that doesnt mean everyone should take heroine its teh exact same thing. there are things you do, and there is also responsibility. How is using birth control not taking responsibility?
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 27, 2010 21:12:27 GMT -5
i dont follow...i never said birth control should be illegal.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 27, 2010 21:31:03 GMT -5
In my post before that I said that most people who get abortions do use birth control.. If a person is using birth control, is that not being responsible?
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 27, 2010 21:49:49 GMT -5
ITS VERY RESPONSIBLE BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE IF IT FAILS. ABORTIONS ARE NOT BEING RESPONSIBLE, THEYRE AN EASY WAY OUT sry, caps was on. too lazy to retype.
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Post by Cortney on Apr 27, 2010 21:56:46 GMT -5
Abortions are the easy way out? Since when? They are so much more stressful physically and emotionally than a natural pregnancy. Having an abortion can permanently damage the vagina and cause serious problems with future, WANTED pregnancies. That's just one of the many downfalls.
With that in mind, I'm pro-choice. Just felt like establishing that it is NOT the easy way out.
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 27, 2010 22:23:26 GMT -5
id say it is easy compared to raising a child
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Post by krzych32 on Apr 27, 2010 22:27:44 GMT -5
If its not the easy way out then why would people do it? They want to get out of raising a child, and abortion is a way out of that.
The only reason why abortion is legal is because unborns don't have any lobbying power, and that's what counts in this country (and many others).
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 28, 2010 0:01:54 GMT -5
^that
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Post by kadie on Apr 28, 2010 5:47:09 GMT -5
In an ideal, perfect world abortions would never be necessary. However we don't live in a perfect world, and in the world we live women should be aloud to choose to have an abortion if they feel thats the right thing to do.
Besides, If abortions were made illegal they would just go underground and become incredibly unsafe and dangerous.
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Post by krzych32 on Apr 28, 2010 6:35:57 GMT -5
1. just because someone believes that it's a right thing to do doesn't mean they are right. 2. So someone is braking the law and getting hurt in the act, then we should make it legal?
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Post by Cortney on Apr 28, 2010 6:52:09 GMT -5
If its not the easy way out then why would people do it? They want to get out of raising a child, and abortion is a way out of that. That's not the only reason to have an abortion. :/ People are raped. People can't AFFORD to raise a child. People are medically unable to safely have a child. People have children with defects that would cause the child to die within a few years of birth, anyway. There are so many reasons to have an abortion, and I think you guys are being a bit narrow-minded about this. It's not just a bunch of slutty teenage girls who get knocked up.
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 28, 2010 10:48:44 GMT -5
well, i for one have said that i would allow abortion in cases of rape and if there was a good medical reason. as for not having enough money to raise the child...thats not good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2010 13:57:45 GMT -5
well, i for one have said that i would allow abortion in cases of rape and if there was a good medical reason. as for not having enough money to raise the child...thats not good enough. Just passing by again. So you would let a child you know is going to starve to death in pain and suffering born? Just because not having enough money to raise one is "not good enough"? You're inhumane.
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 28, 2010 14:00:44 GMT -5
i know right? you know...i should change my policy. i think from now on ill carry a submachinegun with me, and when i see homeless people, ill shoot them. thanks for the idea, it'll be fun!
there are always solutions, poverty is no excuse to abort a child.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2010 14:04:45 GMT -5
Ok, I should have worded it differently (its what happens when you post without thinking ). But even if you defend parents could give them to adoption (as, say, a solution for letting the child survive), then your argument is as failed as the one you're against. If you say parents who abort a child are doing a "quick escape" (I don't remember the exact therm), then isn't giving them to adoption (even if because the lack of money) the exact same thing? Ok, now I'll stop interfering.
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 28, 2010 14:13:42 GMT -5
well you missed the first part of my arguments...i can understand that as it was in an earlier post. i fully understand that aborting a fetus is not murder, or i would not find it acceptable for rape and medical reasons. however it is the potential for life, and if there is no good reason for aborting that potential than im against it. in a case of rape, there is a reason. there was never a conscious decision made to have sex with that person. it was forced, therefore there was no irresponsibility involved, go ahead and abort. in a case of a medical reason, there either is no potential for life (if the baby will be born with a terminal illness that will kill it as a child) or if the mother will die/be severely injured by the childbirth or pregnancy, there is no reason to end an existing life for a potential one. because it is a potential life however, if a conscious decision was made to have sex without thought for the consequences, there is no reason all all to abort that potential life (of course given that there is no medical reason). that life should fulfill its potential by any means necessary, including adoption.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2010 14:33:38 GMT -5
Ok, I shouldn't have gotten too much involved... now I have the urge to answer... well you missed the first part of my arguments...i can understand that as it was in an earlier post. i fully understand that aborting a fetus is not murder, or i would not find it acceptable for rape and medical reasons. however it is the potential for life, and if there is no good reason for aborting that potential than im against it. in a case of rape, there is a reason. there was never a conscious decision made to have sex with that person. it was forced, therefore there was no irresponsibility involved, go ahead and abort. in a case of a medical reason, there either is no potential for life (if the baby will be born with a terminal illness that will kill it as a child) or if the mother will die/be severely injured by the childbirth or pregnancy, there is no reason to end an existing life for a potential one. because it is a potential life however, if a conscious decision was made to have sex without thought for the consequences, there is no reason all all to abort that potential life (of course given that there is no medical reason). that life should fulfill its potential by any means necessary, including adoption. First, I am assuming this as the base for my argument. And, as it luckily is, I am going to adapt your argument so as to be an objection to it, basically, that life in potential is almost as important as life itself (I'm not saying equally because of your opinion on abortion in victims of rape and etc). Assume life in potential is almost as important as life itself, then we must admit that either having or not having sex would be immoral. This is because sperm has million of little beings that bare life potential. And these being are all going to die no matter what you do. Except one... sometimes. If you defend that it is more likely for a fetus to become human life than sperm, that we should give different importance to different chances of life and that we should decide which are valuable enough by their chances to survive, then I have a question: how should it be when you go to a country where the probability of life is less than the country you live in (because of the conditions)? What if a pregnant person from a developed country goes to that country? What how should we manage changes in this probability trough times? How do we decide abortions on parts of the population where it is statistically less likely to form life? If we see it from this point of view, we can't decide if abortion is moral or immoral (legal or illegal too) based on statistics.
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Post by krzych32 on Apr 28, 2010 14:33:43 GMT -5
If its not the easy way out then why would people do it? They want to get out of raising a child, and abortion is a way out of that. That's not the only reason to have an abortion. :/ People are raped. People can't AFFORD to raise a child. People are medically unable to safely have a child. People have children with defects that would cause the child to die within a few years of birth, anyway. There are so many reasons to have an abortion, and I think you guys are being a bit narrow-minded about this. It's not just a bunch of slutty teenage girls who get knocked up. Now you are putting words in my mouth that I have never said. I never said that abortion should never be an option, but if you want to argue like that then you have to agree that except for this few cases, because of medical reasons or because of rape, abortion should not be a choice. Again, what I have said in my previous post, people try to use rape and/or medical reasons from this few cases to justify all of abortion. If you want me to accept all of abortion, then give me other valid arguments that support all of abortion, not just particular cases.
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Post by tnj on Apr 28, 2010 14:55:56 GMT -5
Abortion should be legal because the woman has to have the right to have the power over her own body. No one else should be able to force her into having a child she does not want to have NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES! It doesn't matter if she wasn't careful or whatever. No one should ever have the power over someone else's body. And sure, you could say that "well the woman has the power over the unborn baby's body", but it doesn't count 'cause the unborn child is basically part of the woman's body until it's born. In my opinion at least. And seriously, aren't there enough unwanted children in this world? And isn't the world already overcrowded? I think it's better to take care of the people who are already alive and really just be happy if people have abortions.
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Apr 28, 2010 15:03:25 GMT -5
A woman shouldn't have to go through the stress and pain of pregnancy and labor if she doesn't want to. Of course I would prefer it if she had the baby and put it up for adoption but it's not up to me, it's her right to choose.
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