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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 28, 2010 15:03:38 GMT -5
1. just because someone believes that it's a right thing to do doesn't mean they are right. 2. So someone is braking the law and getting hurt in the act, then we should make it legal? 1. And just because someone thinks something is wrong, that doesn't mean it is, either. 2. breaking* Asher, I understand that you think people need to be more responsible, and I completely agree. But I don't think that outlawing abortion would help this by any means. Like I said before, the rate of abortion in places where it's illegal is basically the same as where it's illegal. No one uses abortion as birth control. People do what they can to prevent pregnancy, but sometimes it just happens.. Also, it seems like you have the "sex should be for procreation only" ideology. You're saying that if you have sex, you need to to prepared to have kids, because there's always the possibility of it happening. But I don't see anything wrong with two people in a monogamous relationship to have sex, even if they aren't ready for kids. And if they've been responsible and done everything to prevent it, but it happens anyway, they should be allowed to choose how they want to deal with it, and get an abortion if they think it's the best option.
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 28, 2010 15:03:58 GMT -5
you, my friend, are an idiot. overcrowded? really? unwanted children? you are missing the point. forst of all, if you have ever used google earth you will realize that the world far from overcrowded. true there are crowded population centers, but that does not mean the world is overpopulated, far from it! ill cite canada as a prime example. it has 2 million people less that california...and is bigger than the USA. so yeah, the world is not overpopulated. as for unwanted kids, whether they are wanted or not is completely irrelevant. its not whether you want them or not its about their potential for life. you have no say in that whether you want them or not.
by the way i dont want you. you should have been aborted. (<making a point)
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Post by rcn927 on Apr 28, 2010 16:10:25 GMT -5
Kids don't have lobbying power over their parents, why should a fetus?
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Post by Cortney on Apr 28, 2010 16:38:38 GMT -5
well, i for one have said that i would allow abortion in cases of rape and if there was a good medical reason. as for not having enough money to raise the child...thats not good enough. ...Not good enough? So you'd rather let this "potential for life" be born and suffer because his / her parents can't afford to feed and raise it? That's like saying it's a good thing all those kids in Africa were born, even if they died of malnutrition before the age of 2. Is that really a life? you, my friend, are an idiot. overcrowded? really? unwanted children? you are missing the point. forst of all, if you have ever used google earth you will realize that the world far from overcrowded. true there are crowded population centers, but that does not mean the world is overpopulated, far from it! ill cite canada as a prime example. it has 2 million people less that california...and is bigger than the USA. so yeah, the world is not overpopulated. as for unwanted kids, whether they are wanted or not is completely irrelevant. its not whether you want them or not its about their potential for life. you have no say in that whether you want them or not.) The majority of Canada is uninhabitable. It's either too mountainous or too cold. Potential for life? Every time a girl goes on her period, she's destroying an egg. That COULD have been child! Every time a guy masturbates, he's destroying millions of sperm. Those COULD have been children! Just because something could at one point in time be alive doesn't mean it has the rights of something that is alive. Also, don't call people idiots. I disagree with you, but I'm not insulting your intelligence. You may want to re-read the values. =/ Now you are putting words in my mouth that I have never said. I never said that abortion should never be an option, but if you want to argue like that then you have to agree that except for this few cases, because of medical reasons or because of rape, abortion should not be a choice. Again, what I have said in my previous post, people try to use rape and/or medical reasons from this few cases to justify all of abortion. If you want me to accept all of abortion, then give me other valid arguments that support all of abortion, not just particular cases. I wasn't putting words in your mouth. You said that an abortion is just a way to get out of raising a kid, and I said reasons why it's more than just trying to get out of raising a kid. And I believe abortion should ALWAYS be a choice. You want a good reason? Human rights. An adult woman's rights come before those of a fetus. A woman has a right to do with her body what she wishes. If she wants to have an abortion, let her do it. That's like me telling you that you can't have a vasectomy because of all of those sperm that will never exist.
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 28, 2010 16:41:57 GMT -5
Potential for life? Every time a girl goes on her period, she's destroying an egg. That COULD have been child! Every time a guy masturbates, he's destroying millions of sperm. Those COULD have been children! Just because something could at one point in time be alive doesn't mean it has the rights of something that is alive. really...? you cant see a difference between a fetus a bunch of independent components? come on...and by the way i dont think anyone is saying to treat it as a normal life...i wouldnt be saying that it should be legal in certain cases if it was a full fledged life...
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Post by Cortney on Apr 28, 2010 16:55:13 GMT -5
Well I don't agree with aborting fetuses. For the reasons I think someone should consider getting an abortion, she'd know within the first trimester (and hopefully sooner than that). I don't believe that the instant a sperm connects with an egg, there is a creature with rights. I consider aborting a zygote to be destroying that potential for life about as much as I consider periods and masturbating to be destroying that potential for life. AKA, not at all. That's just my opinion.
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Post by krzych32 on Apr 28, 2010 17:03:26 GMT -5
Kids don't have lobbying power over their parents, why should a fetus? WTF are you talking about? You clearly have no idea what lobbying means.
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 28, 2010 17:06:18 GMT -5
well ok, never mind fetuses, that was the wrong word for it, but an embryo is more of a potential than independent components. thats not up for debate thats fact.
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Post by Cortney on Apr 28, 2010 17:48:38 GMT -5
well ok, never mind fetuses, that was the wrong word for it, but an embryo is more of a potential than independent components. thats not up for debate thats fact. But that doesn't mean the individual components DON'T have potential for life. Your argument isn't that the embryo has MORE potential for life, it's that it has potential for life to begin with.
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Post by GojuRyuKarateWolf on Apr 28, 2010 17:52:16 GMT -5
I can't vote quite frankly. I saw a video showing an abortion and it was just sick. It made me 1100% against abortions. It should be legal to avoid teenage mother's that can't afford for a child, but could at least avoid such measures. I could even feel the poor thing suffering. )=
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Post by rcn927 on Apr 28, 2010 21:16:20 GMT -5
Kids don't have lobbying power over their parents, why should a fetus? WTF are you talking about? You clearly have no idea what lobbying means. You're probably right. I just inferred. I'm just saying that a kid has no say about anything, but we're considering that a fetus might.
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 28, 2010 21:31:26 GMT -5
then ill revise my argument to having a reasonable potential for life...youre nitpicking cortney
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Post by Cortney on Apr 28, 2010 22:38:45 GMT -5
So are you, bomb. ;P
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Post by krzych32 on Apr 28, 2010 22:52:57 GMT -5
WTF are you talking about? You clearly have no idea what lobbying means. You're probably right. I just inferred. I'm just saying that a kid has no say about anything, but we're considering that a fetus might. lol, google lobbying and then re-state your argument, or just ask if you don't know, there is no stupid questions. But even fallowing YOUR logic, what you are saying is that parents can kill kids because kinds have no say on what is going on.
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 28, 2010 22:56:03 GMT -5
i am not i am pointing out the flaws in your nitpicking
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Post by TheIslander on Apr 28, 2010 23:02:57 GMT -5
In a world where pluralism is at large: why are we still arguing about what is right or wrong? You will always find people who think it is right or think it is wrong.
The real question should be: if abortion is legalized, would we be able to manage it in such a way that only the (right) abortions are allowed to happen? I don't think so therefore it should remain illegal, if couples have financial problems raising their children: they should be given allowances and services to help out.
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Post by krzych32 on Apr 29, 2010 0:02:38 GMT -5
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Post by tnj on Apr 29, 2010 6:34:35 GMT -5
you, my friend, are an idiot. I beg to differ. I'm actually very intelligent. Check this out: Video on overpopulation and the environment. And yeah, maybe the spot you or I live in isn't overpopulated, but it's still worth considering. I don't agree with you. An unbord child will never know it was unwanted. It will never grieve its potential life. I don't get your point. But then, you think I'm an idiot. Might be the reason.
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 29, 2010 10:26:10 GMT -5
first of all, i was not talking about crowded population centers, i was talking about the world in general. second of all, you said there are already plenty of unwanted children in the wall, that implies that they are already born. third of all, my point was that you are unwanted, maybe you should be aborted...it wasnt a real argument.,...
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Post by tnj on Apr 29, 2010 13:05:22 GMT -5
first of all, i was not talking about crowded population centers, i was talking about the world in general. Yeah, so was I. Exactly. That's why it's unnecessary to bring any more unwanted children into this world. "Ok"
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