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Post by Dan Brown on Apr 18, 2010 20:33:44 GMT -5
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Post by Helmet on Apr 18, 2010 20:35:31 GMT -5
FIRST (sorry had to indulge my inner troll) Cool TOK man... But what will happen after we accomplish our Noble Cause? If our tribe has accomplished the cause... What happens next?
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Post by LegacyOfPaper on Apr 18, 2010 20:39:09 GMT -5
Watching. Actually listening. Will comment when I'm done. Yes this was worth posting about.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 18, 2010 20:43:42 GMT -5
I always thought our noble cause was to end world suck.. I think that's what a lot of us want to do. It may be unrealistic, but it goes along with "think impossibly big," and I know I personally wouldn't be satisfied if the pogotribe were to settle for less.
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Post by ninjaearl on Apr 18, 2010 20:52:15 GMT -5
I :\ 'd at >We're just gonna wait While I agree, it's probably the smartest choice right now something inside me is screaming 'less waiting, more doing'
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Post by Breepop on Apr 18, 2010 20:52:32 GMT -5
Splendid job, Mr. Brown. :D
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Post by Dan Brown on Apr 18, 2010 20:56:24 GMT -5
Cool TOK man... But what will happen after we accomplish our Noble Cause? If our tribe has accomplished the cause... What happens next? If a company is founded with the noble cause of curing cancer, they don't continue trying to cure cancer when they finish-- that'd be silly! Their job as a tribe is then done. Now, will cancer ever be cured? Maybe, maybe not, but it's their noble cause that drives them. Without a finish line, what's the point of racing? Our noble cause is our finish line. If/When we accomplish it we will have a HUGE party, happily disband and use the connections we've made/skills we've learned to create new tribes with new noble causes.
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Post by ElfLady on Apr 18, 2010 20:58:08 GMT -5
A lot of good decisions being made!! And thank you for making the admin meetings more transparent, as that helps us know how much is happening! <3333 I'm thinking about this noble cause... kind of difficult because we are not pulled together by one thing (being awesome at baseball, being space scientists), but by different aspects of one person's ideas, which may make it tricky to choose. But it also makes us awesome in our diversity!
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Post by Nakor on Apr 18, 2010 21:00:55 GMT -5
I would posit that our noble cause is more along the lines of encouraging everyone to help eliminate worldsuck. It's not just getting rid of worldsuck, it's also getting rid of (metaphorical) borders, having everyone in the world able to work as a community together (even if they don't agree on anything, which is totally fine and awesome) and have the whole world focused on bettering the whole world, all at once.
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Post by Breepop on Apr 18, 2010 21:01:59 GMT -5
something inside me is screaming 'less waiting, more doing' Well, the admins have kind of been like that, too. But it contributed in large part to our recent bump. We're just gonna slow down and do things when it feels right, not according to some deadline. Chelsea: Hmm, that was kind of touched on in the call. Someone (Dan?) said it should probably be something that everyone (EVERYONE, not just people in the tribe) could wrap their heads around and get behind. Something a bit more specific than "decrease world suck" or "get to level 5"... make sense? <_<
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Post by KipEnyan on Apr 18, 2010 21:10:21 GMT -5
Very interesting. I agree with all of the sentiments stated thusfar. I think our noble cause should/will be something impossibly large. Maybe not ending all worldsuck, but taking out an entire genre of it. Like ending world hunger, disease, modernizing third world countries, etc. As a whole, the PogoTribe is just too ambitious to settle for anything less than a goal with a permanent, lasting effect, and an unequivocally global scope.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 18, 2010 21:20:58 GMT -5
@bree, Yeah, I understand. I guess I should pay more attention to the "but set realist goals that reflect your impossibly big thoughts" clause of that value. But there are so many of us and we all want to accomplish so many things, I just think one, narrow focus will be difficult to settle, and still might not represent us collectively as a tribe.
Question for pogotribians: Do we want our noble cause to have something to do with ending world suck? Do we want to say we will help ___ people with ___ problem, or something else? And @bree, Dan, any admin, would that still be too big/unrealistic?
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Post by ElfLady on Apr 18, 2010 21:28:44 GMT -5
Chelsea whaddya mean by that? "we will help poor people with their poverty problem" or what?
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Post by ElfLady on Apr 18, 2010 21:31:28 GMT -5
Very interesting. I agree with all of the sentiments stated thusfar. I think our noble cause should/will be something impossibly large. Maybe not ending all worldsuck, but taking out an entire genre of it. Like ending world hunger, disease, modernizing third world countries, etc. As a whole, the PogoTribe is just too ambitious to settle for anything less than a goal with a permanent, lasting effect, and an unequivocally global scope. Your words make me happy. ^_^ Oh yeah, and your ideas as well!!! They are quite well thought out!And I agree with the PogoTribe being very ambitious. Our goal is going to be very big. Probably one that one hundred year old global organizations have been attempting to reach forever.
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Post by Breepop on Apr 18, 2010 21:32:38 GMT -5
@bree, Dan, any admin, would that still be too big/unrealistic? Nothing is too big for this. Actually, it's not a bad thing at all if the noble cause seems unrealistic now. That could change in the future... or it couldn't. So, no... we should think big and unrealistically.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 18, 2010 21:33:30 GMT -5
@fiona, yeah, something like that... Or maybe a specific area.. like, "We will help people in Haiti get out of poverty," "We will help women in India gain rights equal to those of men," etc.
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Post by Breepop on Apr 18, 2010 21:36:42 GMT -5
@fiona, yeah, something like that... Or maybe a specific area.. like, "We will help people in Haiti get out of poverty," "We will help women in India gain rights equal to those of men," etc. Less specific. XD P.S. All of these posts are just my opinion. I'm no expert on this "noble cause" stuff, so don't think I'm trying to guide you guys in any certain direction. I'm just putting my opinion out there, same as you. Yeah.
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Post by ElfLady on Apr 18, 2010 21:40:32 GMT -5
@bree So just... like... We will help eliminate poverty? or We will help improve disaster prevention and preparedness?
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 18, 2010 21:40:39 GMT -5
@fiona, yeah, something like that... Or maybe a specific area.. like, "We will help people in Haiti get out of poverty," "We will help women in India gain rights equal to those of men," etc. Less specific. XD P.S. All of these posts are just my opinion. I'm no expert on this "noble cause" stuff, so don't think I'm trying to guide you guys in any certain direction. I'm just putting my opinion out there, same as you. Yeah. Well, Dan gave the example of curing cancer.. I think this is going along the same lines.. curing poverty.. curing oppression... But I think this is still pretty vague, seeing as how we all have different definitions of "poverty" and "oppression" whereas cancer is just cancer.
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Post by Breepop on Apr 18, 2010 21:45:27 GMT -5
I still think those things are too specific. Whereas "decrease world suck" is too vague. >_> I'm not even sure what the middle ground there is myself...
But yeah, I think it needs to be something more related to us. For me, things like "eliminate poverty" don't hit home enough.
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