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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 22, 2010 1:41:34 GMT -5
The "no homo" thread got me thinking about masculinity in society..
How do you think men are "supposed" to act in your society? Do you think this is a realistic portrayal of how males actually are? Is there too much emphasis on men being "manly"/tough/ etc.?
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Post by RabbitWho on Apr 22, 2010 6:08:35 GMT -5
I don't think masculine and feminine are adjectives that should attach themselves to biological sex. Everyone should just act either the way that is natural for them or the way that they personally admire or feel comfortable with. They shouldn't have to worry about their demeanor matching their genitals. I think everyone has little feminine and masculine qualities about them.
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Post by Trey on Apr 22, 2010 6:51:00 GMT -5
I don't think masculine and feminine are adjectives that should attach themselves to biological sex. Everyone should just act either the way that is natural for them or the way that they personally admire or feel comfortable with. They shouldn't have to worry about their demeanor matching their genitals. I think everyone has little feminine and masculine qualities about them. You're absolutely right! There are plenty of tough guys in this world, and there are plenty of lean muscled smart guys in this world. Most of these people do what's natural for them, and it seems to work in our society.
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Post by mashuga31 on Apr 22, 2010 8:09:08 GMT -5
True: However I feel I have a response to chelsea's question.
No matter who you are, where you come from, or what kind of cereal you eat, men should always be the protectors of every girl that he cares about. He should be their hero, and their savior. That doesn't Imply that girls need protecting or that they're weak. It just states what it states. No more.
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Post by RabbitWho on Apr 22, 2010 9:03:14 GMT -5
Why don't you want to protect other men?
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Post by newschooled on Apr 22, 2010 11:40:57 GMT -5
Depends on your definition of masculinity.
I have friends who define how big their truck is as masculinity.
On the contrary, I think taking care of my family and keeping them happy is masculinity.
Different folks, different strokes I guess.
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Post by PunchJunky on Apr 22, 2010 15:08:01 GMT -5
^^Manly man. Actually I Googled douchebag
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Post by AkeR on Apr 22, 2010 15:25:35 GMT -5
hmm i think masculinity is simply measured by how many feminine traits one shows for example, a man who lifts weights and goes hunting and generally does "masculine" things may not be masculine in society's eyes because he is very sensitive and talks with a lisp of course this is an example and im not making stereotypes or anything like that i mean you could have someone who protects his loved ones, works hard to sustain his family, has a big truck and lifts weights, but he could be the campest, most feminine guy in the world.
thats my view, although i personally find masculinity unimportant.
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Post by newschooled on Apr 22, 2010 16:46:40 GMT -5
^^Manly man. Actually I Googled douchebag lol I though manly men had chest hair...? Oh wait...Sorry...Forgot about the whole douche thing.
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Post by FranticProdigy on Apr 22, 2010 21:54:22 GMT -5
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 23, 2010 3:25:11 GMT -5
From what I can tell, the majority of the views on masculinity is that you're not a real man unless you love sports that have the potential to cause serious injury to you, are stronger and make more money than women, would never be caught dead going to musical theater unless your wife drags you there, you use power tools for fun, or to sum it all up...
You're Tim Taylor from Home Improvement.
Now I personally hate all sports and I work in theater. I will point out before I say this next bit that I do NOT like doing this but it is REQUIRED as an actor. I got made fun of alot in high school when I'd show up for school still wearing eye liner from the night before. That stuff is a pain to get off and people thought I was gay.
The truth though is I think there are far more gays in sports teams than in theater. Yes there are a few gays in theater but not everyone who does theater is gay. The last play I did, everyone was straight and even when we have gay actors the number of straight people working out number them.
Now the reason I argue that sports are more gay, think about it. In sports teams you have a bunch of MEN shareing a locker room, showering togeather, and slapping eachother's asses. Pluse even some of the actions in the sports seem very very gay. What straight guy would ever stand behind another man and reach between his legs just to grab a foot ball, you'd think there'd be a less gay way to pass a foot ball to start a game. And wresteling... it's OK when you're standing up but once you start "fighting" on the ground it just looks like 2 guys dry humping eachother. I would much rather wear make-up than dry hump another man.
Now in theater, it's fairly common for men and women to change right in front of eachother and most people just don't care who sees them. Durring Damn Yankees last year there was an actress who basically stripped down to her underwear as soon as she got to the theater and walked around like that until she needed to be in costume.
Stuff like this even happened in high school. Our dressing rooms were only big enough for 1 person at a time anyway so most people would just change right in the middle of the class room where everyone could see. I was in the class room early one day. Was just me and 2 girls in the room. One girl went into the dressing room and the other could of waited or asked me to leave the room but without hesitating stripped right in front of me the entire time continueing our conversation as if it was normal. This was also the first time I'd see someone do this so the entire time I was thinking to myself. "Damn she's hot, should I leave? No she knows I'm here it's not like I'm spying on her. Holly crap what the heck were we talking about before she took her cloths off? Damn she's hot!" Of course after 8 years I've gotten use to it so now my thought process is simply "Damn, she's hot!"
There were a couple times last year even when I heard of group of people shouting the words "hey faggot" at me. I guess they knew I worked at the theater and yet again assumed I was gay.
In a rather ironic twist, there was a group of people a few years back harrassing one actor who was in fact gay. The ironic part is "big tough guys" were scared off by a woman in a ball gown.
Basically I think alot of the thought behind masculinity and trying to act tough is just a cover over for a bunch of closet gays. Not saying that's true for every man but I have yet to meet a stereotype of the masculin man that didn't turn out to be gay.
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Post by RabbitWho on Apr 23, 2010 4:17:42 GMT -5
Heh great post. I know a few walking macho stereotypes that aren't gay though, but they're all pretty insecure about something or other. Still that's life, that makes them feel better than that's great, so long as they don't think they're superior to people who aren't so macho. That makes me shudder.
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Post by zAkAtAk on Apr 23, 2010 8:37:54 GMT -5
I'm more interested on what people think "what it means to be a man vs. what it means to be a woman".
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Post by jmejia1187 on Apr 23, 2010 8:49:56 GMT -5
True: However I feel I have a response to chelsea's question. No matter who you are, where you come from, or what kind of cereal you eat, men should always be the protectors of every girl that he cares about. He should be their hero, their savior, and most of all, do it without reward. That doesn't Imply that girls need protecting or that they're weak. It just states what it states. No more. I disagree. Women fought hard for their equal rights. If men need to protect women, women should protect too, based on your logic. Especially since my gf is fitter than me (just saying...). A better way of thinking is this: treat your significant other, emotionally and physically, like you would like to be treated. I am not saying if you "like it rough" to be rough. But you want your significant other to be generally comfortable, and well kept. This goes both ways. I am not masculine much. Never did like the whole weight lifting, look at me, I'm so cool. I am the flower guy, who is kind to animals. Do I fit a mold? Yes, but masculinity is not it!
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 23, 2010 8:56:23 GMT -5
I just tend to use the literal definitions rather than all the other bull crap about how we're supose to think and act in our gender roles.
If you have dangly bits between your legs you're masculin if not you're feminin.
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Post by RabbitWho on Apr 23, 2010 13:15:07 GMT -5
That's true Everyone should just act whatever way they feel comfortable.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 23, 2010 13:39:50 GMT -5
Guys, I know a lot of us think we should just act however we want, but that's not the question >_< The question is do you think society's ideals of how men should act are fair/accurate?
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Post by click3tyclick on Apr 23, 2010 13:42:24 GMT -5
Guys, I know a lot of us think we should just act however we want, but that's not the question >_< The question is do you think society's ideals of how men should act are fair/accurate? They are changing. It is now acceptable for men to care about their image, it is now acceptable for men to be sensitive and caring. Being a man doesn't mean spending your days drinking beer and playing card games anymore.
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Post by Trey on Apr 23, 2010 14:54:44 GMT -5
I'm more interested on what people think "what it means to be a man vs. what it means to be a woman". This
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Post by RabbitWho on Apr 23, 2010 15:04:55 GMT -5
Guys, I know a lot of us think we should just act however we want, but that's not the question >_< The question is do you think society's ideals of how men should act are fair/accurate? I dunno, what ideas does society have about the way I should act? I don't really think they're unfair because whatever they are I ignore or am unaware of them. As I said we have this mad idea of masculinity being connected with men and femininity being connected with women but they are just two sides of the same coin and they aren't relevant to anything. We should accept these things as being not gender specific adjectives. It grosses me out when people are aggressive or curse, men or women, but I guess it's slightly worse with women. I don't mind cursing in jokes or if you're one of those people who can't "fecking speak without fecking cursing every other fecking word" even when you're in a good mood; the words themselves are harmless, but when they're said in anger they make my stomach turn, I feel like I'm about to get hit in the face with a baseball bat. I don't know why it's worse with women, I guess I expect them to be gentle. I want men and women to be gentle, but it's a nice surprise when men are and it's a horrible surprise when women aren't. Can't figure that out, but I know it's silly. I guess we'll always have gender ideas in our heads unless maybe we were raised without any father or mother figures.
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