RamblinReed
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Post by RamblinReed on Apr 20, 2010 19:53:42 GMT -5
I do recognize that this video is meant to be a joke. But still, I believe that a follow up video should be supplied so that we as members of the pogo-tribe do not rush into things uninformed. Quoting Dan's tweet... "The problem with human beings is that they feel a need to try and understand their emotions as soon as they have them."
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TheIslander
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Post by TheIslander on Apr 20, 2010 19:59:10 GMT -5
I was expecting: a 10 min video which would inform me on dans views of the tea party, which would be (as in his other videos) constructive even if he is trying to critize the tea party movement.
What I got: a sarcastic 10 min video which tells me that not only is he against palin and the movement but too much to explain it (as he does in his other videos) resorting to sarcasm which leads to nowhere as such.
To all those talking about being a zombie, as Dan mentions in the videos a lot of Democrats think that Sarah palin/the tea party movement are idiots.. that is (what I think) he is trying to bring out through the video. Exposing how tea party protesters are 'zombies'.
The zombies argument is a double edged argument, in the sense that by posting this sarcastic video Dan is also a zombie following up on calling plain/protesters idiots.
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Apr 20, 2010 21:24:48 GMT -5
I told my bomboclat parents I was switching religions.
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Post by IMAGINARYphilosophy on Apr 20, 2010 21:30:27 GMT -5
After reading the massive amounts of complaints and confusion, I'm left with one striking question:
Why do you all care so much what Dan thinks?
Isn't the entire point of PBDAZ and #7 that you're supposed to think for yourselves and not let anyone else dictate your beliefs for you? I keep reading that people are disappointed in Mr. Brown or offended at what they perceive to be a satirical cheap shot at religion/the Tea Party/conservative media/etc. While you're certainly free (and I would say encouraged) to disagree with Mr. Brown, the tone of this discussion has taken on a very emotionally charged tone.
If the only reason you sub to Mr. Brown or consider yourself a member of his Tribe is because you agree with everything he says or take his opinions as somehow better than those of other people (or even your own), then perhaps this is a good opportunity to re-evaluate your convictions.
By taking such a controversial tack with this video post, I think Mr. Brown is doing an excellent job (intentionally or inadvertently) of pushing many of his viewers away. The question is, how many will bounce back from this rebuff and learn to respectfully disagree with him, and how many will be too wounded because of their own emotional interest to continue associating themselves with Mr. Brown and his community.
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jenjenlynn21
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Post by jenjenlynn21 on Apr 20, 2010 22:45:12 GMT -5
I am sorry dan, but you have lost all of my respect in this video that you posted. I am not a zombie dan, I will not make a video of me dropping to my knees praising Sarah Palin of all people! The FSM is a joke, it is a joke of God and religion. All dan is telling us is that we should not be zombies and follow him blindly. He is trying to see how many people blindly do what he says and then if he gets a lot of response, than he will use it against us! Finally, if this gets too far out of hand, I am going to flip! We have to stop this joke before it gets too out of hand. He is insulting about 5 billion people in the world who are aligned with a major religion. He is saying that God should be replaced by a pice of boiled whole grain! I am not a zombie dan and I stick to rule #7, I stick true to my ideals You do know that Dan has established himself as a Christian, right? If anything, he is using the FSM to illustrate how anyone in a position of power can, if they have the inclination, get a group of people to conform to what they say without questioning. This is the same that's happening with quite a number of the Tea Party supporters, and he's encouraging his viewers to investigate what people (including him) tell them instead of just following them blindly. In short, he's re-iterating his creed of PDBAZ with satire. I agree. After watching Dan's video about 6 more times I have come to this conclusion. What I can't wait for is Dan's response on Friday!
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 21, 2010 0:32:40 GMT -5
ok...in response to you nick..yes i do feel alone here. this ridiculous bashing of the tea party..calling them racists...its just not true. what is true is that there are a few racists in the tea party. that does NOT mean that the tea party is racist. i defy you to tell me honestly that there are no racist liberals. if you think so...youre full of SHIRT.
there was an isolated incident at a protest in Washington where (count them...) 3 tea party members supposedly shouted racial slurs at passing minority congressmen. i see no reason why the entire movement should be painted with such a broad brush because of a very select few members.
moreover, saying that the tea party are a bunch of idiots because they happen to have the misfortune of having sarah palin as one of their organizers is just plain stupid. as you all know, the tea party was not based on sarah palin. it was based on ron paul. as far as i can tell, even liberals (at least some) supported ron paul's proposals. so before you go calling the tea party crazy racists, dan, please do some research.
as for your recent trolling, it is not cool. it is annoying and very immature. think about it...if david letterman dressed up in a telletubby costume every night and ran around singing their theme song, what would you think of him? would you watch him? would you deem him important enough to waste your precious time? you have attempted to build a community who's aim is to change the world. focus on that.
moreover, you are an entertainer. you make money of youtube for being an entertainer. your entertaining skills are what keep you "employed" so to speak. by posting bullshit such as your "tea time" vid, and your twitter Tuesday vid today, you completely kill your reputation as an entertainer, and you piss off a large part of your viewer base. your viewer base...which i might add...allows you to work on your project full time. in and of itself your tea time vid was not that bad...you were making a point and using satire to drive it home. however you took it too far. you extended the joke over the funny/"ok shut the hell up" boundary. by troll/tweeting a bunch of times that you were serious, and by hosting a liveshow completely devoted to this trolling, you were just showing yourself to be an overglorified idiot. please stop it. please?
i gotta say...the caliber of your videos has dramatically dropped since you first started vlogging. i used to genuinely enjoy watching your videos. they were intelligent, engaging, and educational. as you went on however, your videos became more just plain entertaining than intelligent, but i could put up with that. after all, they were still funny, and enjoyable. however, recently it seems that you only put out good material if you happen to bang your head on a pole by accident. in fact, the only reason i have been watching your vids lately is because they keep showing up in my subscription box, and out of habit. i must say, if the caliber of your videos does not pick up soon, i think i will find it quite easy to break the habit...especially since your drivel no longer WILL appear in my subscription box.
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Post by nickgreyden on Apr 21, 2010 1:10:58 GMT -5
....I guess holding to what I know to be true makes me a zombie. Congrats people. Maybe you should look a little closer before you go around bashing things. I could post all the wonderful crazy or outlandish things that biden or obama has done. I could call everyone a zombie for following the democrats and these leaders. I don't.
You know why? Because I respect everyone here and their opinions. I assumed that everyone made an intelligent choice based on facts and figures and would respectfully disagree with opinions that I held. However that appears not to be the case. Just think on this however.
What is it about the tea party that offends you so greatly. I have seen over the course of 4 pages only one (might have been a second) posts that confers the slightest understanding of exactly what the tea party stands for and why they are coming together. It is being bashed and ridiculed by everyone here. Tell me why. Because of Dan? Because of "Jay Walking" journalism? Tell me what is so wrong about this movement.
Don't one of you dare, however, to point to a supporter. I can go out and find the dumbest democratic supporter as well and put him/her in front of a camera. Show me facts. Show me figures. Show me sound logic. Tell me what is wrong with this movement. I can honestly say, if the you the bashers can't... that would make you a zombie.
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koralth
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Post by koralth on Apr 21, 2010 1:51:16 GMT -5
Now, before I get my head chewed off, I think a "tea party" is actually a pretty good idea. A group dedicated to insuring that government is accountable for it's actions. HOWEVER...
The tea party movement that we have today is a JOKE. I've gone toe to toe with some folks from the movement when they were at the same protest as I was, and I have to say I was thoroughly unimpressed. I'm not going to get into specifics unless requested, but the information they spewed at me was VERIFIABLY WRONG. When confronted on these issues (Birther arguments, for example), they resort to generalizing on the situation, changing topic quickly to verify the unrelated contested idea, straw manning my argument, or, my personal favorite, going red in the face, frothing at the mouth (literally), and yelling at me reasons I'm wrong - the same reasons I contested before you started yelling, as if yelling makes the reasons more applicable. So, I wasn't impressed with the people on the ground floor.
What about the leadership, then?
Ugh, I'd rather not, but for the sake of debate, I'll get started on it. Sarah Palin, Bachman, et al. hearken to an American Hezbollah, using such wonderful catch phrases such as when Palin put pictures of political opponents in cross hairs with the caption, "It's time to reload" Bachman saying that she wants her followers armed and dangerous, and that there needs to be a revolution from time to time. The movement is determined to put religion into government despite the fact that secular law has worked well since the beginning of the US and that the US isn't exclusively inhabited by Christians. The movement seems to run purely on passion with no regard for the facts. They continually promote the idea that Obama isn't willing to fight enemies unless they use nukes on us. This is a clear falsity, and if you think otherwise, look up exactly what he said in the speech.
Listen - I suppose all people are deserving of respect and dignity, but I'll tell you this - the Tea party isn't an entity that does what it claims to do. It's a bunch of ridiculously biased ANGRY individuals who, unlike four or eight years ago when people on their side of the spectrum were screaming that if you question the president you "hate America", now define their entire PLATFORM off of opposing the president, a president who is not NEARLY as left of the border as these people seem to think. He's ALWAYS making serious concessions in the name of being the most moderate president the world has ever seen (Abstinence only education, off shore drilling, the corporatist spin on the health care bill, to name a few), and tea baggers would have you think he's the most Marxist hellspawn to ever walk the earth. It's a joke, guys, a bigger joke than what Dan Brown posted on Monday.
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Post by nickgreyden on Apr 21, 2010 2:47:03 GMT -5
Your entire first point was exactly what I asked not to do. Group A believes X. Group B believes X. Group B is dumb therefore X and Group A are dumb.
Palin and Bachman are trying to hijacked the movement finding it as ground for the republican party to stand on. Some of the poor people have no idea they are being douped, others of US[/I][/U] are pissed about the fact they are trying to inject their beliefs and policies onto the movement itself and trying to make it into something it is not.
The movement IS NOT about religion. It IS NOT about pro-life or terrorists or war or global warming or any of that. It has high profile "supporters" that are trying to make it that. As I said, these blood sucking ticks have found feeding ground, and unfortunately they are getting fat due to many people's lack of understanding and free thinking. The media is eating it up adding fuel to the fire.
I am part of the tea party movement. I am not ridiculously biased. I am angry at a great many things in DC. I have never told anyone they "hate America" because they were against any of the attacks that were made. I do not define the platform of the tea party opposing any one party or person but instead BOTH parties as they BOTH are to blame. What you see of a great many of them are what the "Jay Walking" journalists want you to see. Stupid angry uninformed people getting their information from Glenn Beck. This is why they aren't leading the movement nor running for office.
So first argument was fallacious. The second was misinformed. The third was a lie.
anyone else?
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Post by stephen5000 on Apr 21, 2010 2:57:26 GMT -5
I agree with much of what koralth had to say. While the basic criticisms of the tea party (at least originally) are legitimate and something we should indeed listen to, they have been largely corrupted and the movement stands as a very thinly veiled Republican stunt to oppose Obama for no good reason. While the tea party protesters might claim to oppose large government, this is contrasted by the mainstream Republican support of the movement, and frankly big name Republicans like Palin, Gingrich, and Rove are hardly pro small-government.
Personally I would support opposition to the stimulus packages and bailouts, but I would strongly support health care; so I agree with them on some points and not on others (just like I would with most political movements).
It seems difficult to maintain an unbiased approach when dealing with this type of politics. People should be skeptical of what they hear about fringe movements regardless of the source (although this is hardly a fringe movement). But, just don't be a zombie and you should be fine. And remember that there is no black and white.
In regards to Dan's video, I wasn't sure what to think at first. It doesn't directly seem to support or oppose the tea party movement (and says nothing about it), and certainly looks like Dan is trolling. I actually disliked the video, since it really brings nothing to the debate and is frankly quite stupid. It's the type of comedy I just can't stand. Dan seems to be trying to be smart, but fails in my opinion and just seems disrespectful (of the tea part movement, Sarah Palin, and the idea behind the Flying Spaghetti Monster).
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Post by nickgreyden on Apr 21, 2010 3:06:11 GMT -5
Those of us who know what it is are not to be suckered into a trap. Especially come election time.
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Post by Ferrrrrre on Apr 21, 2010 7:10:39 GMT -5
I seriously lol'd and i'm having even more respect for Dan than I had before. xD
I mean this video is .. seriously tha bomb. I saw people saying "it's a joke", "omg srsly?", "I unsubbed!!" , ...
It's indeed a good example of PDBAZ (those unsubbers) plus I find it a sign that Dan isn't vlogging and such for subscribers but to give his opinion whether the audience has the same or not. (dumbs up)
This video is seriously invoking some drama but this drama is good =D
Go Dan!
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 21, 2010 8:19:43 GMT -5
/me murders ferre
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Post by Ferrrrrre on Apr 21, 2010 8:24:46 GMT -5
/me murders ferre Sorry, I have an opinion -.-' btw something has gone wrong with your post =O
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koralth
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Post by koralth on Apr 21, 2010 8:45:09 GMT -5
Then friend, you need to get out and take the movement back like you're trying to do now. I've not met a tea party member who wasn't rabid. Like I said, I've BEEN out on the protests arguing with these people, and I've not met one that wasn't just a rednecked conservative who was pissed right out.
I know the movement was started by a different group, but like you said, it's been hijacked. I'm going off of what the movement in general is TODAY, not what it was when it was respectable. You know, just like how I go off of what the republican party is today, not what it was before democrats and republicans all pretty much swapped. The third point is in fact not a lie simply because it does not apply to you. It does in fact apply to many of the current members. What you and yours need to do is get together and either reform a new group and nip it in the bud next time it happens or live with the generalizations because if they're a minority, they're a very VOCAL minority, and they're a very ASSERTIVE minority, to the point that even when you're paying attention they drown out the more respectable members.
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Post by DubiousKing on Apr 21, 2010 9:03:35 GMT -5
Don't one of you dare, however, to point to a supporter. I can go out and find the dumbest democratic supporter as well and put him/her in front of a camera. Show me facts. Show me figures. Show me sound logic. Tell me what is wrong with this movement. I can honestly say, if the you the bashers can't... that would make you a zombie. I said in my previous post that I don't agree with the majority of Tea Party supporters, but I suppose I should probably revise this for clarity. I don't agree with the majority of prominent Tea Party supporters that I have seen. Many of them are prominent not because the media or YouTube vloggers focus on them, but because they are yelling to be heard and they don't know what they're yelling. If you are thinking for yourself and have come to the conclusion that the Tea Party is in the right, go ahead and think that way. But the main problem I have with this movement is the number of people that are being brought to light who don't think for themselves, don't investigate what they believe, and refuse to talk intelligently to their opposition. Also, many of the "facts" that leaders of the movement are propagating are falsities or grievous misunderstandings and should be revealed as such. One example was Palin's opposition to the nuclear treaty, when she stated that we need an administration more like Reagan's on this issue, when Reagan himself called for getting rid of a third of our nuclear warheads (same number the current treaty is dealing with) and eventually getting rid of them altogether. Another is also concerning the treaty, when Newt Gingrinch announced on Sean Hannity's show that we would be defenseless against biological attacks, when the treaty does specify that we can use nuclear weapons if threatened by such.
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Post by Adrian (123easyway) on Apr 21, 2010 9:31:35 GMT -5
He basically told us not to be zombies, then told us there was no discussion to be had and that we should bow down to Sarah Palin and worship Spaghetti. Not standing for it. Not amused If it was a joke or not, it was inappropriately done.
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Post by nickgreyden on Apr 21, 2010 9:52:34 GMT -5
I said in my previous post that I don't agree with the majority of Tea Party supporters, but I suppose I should probably revise this for clarity. I don't agree with the majority of prominent Tea Party supporters that I have seen. Many of them are prominent not because the media or YouTube vloggers focus on them, but because they are yelling to be heard and they don't know what they're yelling. Thank you. This was the concession I was looking for. They yell and scream and you hear them making a fool of themselves. When have you ever seen someone who had what might be considered the slightest idea of what they were talking about speak about fiscal responsibility in DC? When was the last time you saw someone speak about the dangers of bailouts from these parties that didn't sound like they were regurgitating FOX news? My guess is never because you don't see or hear these people because they are being drowned out by political celebrities and rabid journalism. As far as taking back the party to make it what it was about; is the media gonna report about a few thousand people across the country, or is it going to report about retarded leaders of our country shouting retarded things at these rallies and lying about why these people have turned out and what they are really here for?
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Post by koralth on Apr 21, 2010 10:12:54 GMT -5
Nick - Which is why taking back the party was the secondary option to conceding the group to this bullheaded encroachment on what should have been a beautiful thing and forming a new movement.
Frankly, it's difficult to get something like that excised from a political group - it's sad but true. The leadership you agree with needs to know that you and others like you recognize this cancer among your ranks and that action needs to be taken - whether it's rallies specifically to denounce the newcomers that those who started the movement disagree with, whether it's to form a new group altogether and ensure that this new group does not become engaged in the rather unpleasant affairs and dogmas the original group became involved in, or WHATEVER. Until this happens, it simply looks as though your group is enjoying the nice influx of membership regardless of quality and using that new membership to empower their message.
It's not fair to say that your opposition can't make snap judgments based on the actual current attitudes exuded by the people who are on the front lines presenting a face for your group, and based on the ridiculousness of leaders now associated with the movement. If your group wants the respect it, and not the encroachment on the group, deserves, ya'll need to do something to be heard and understood. The forums are a great place to start, man, but it's the front lines that are weakening your message and making the group look rabid and weak-minded.
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 21, 2010 11:14:30 GMT -5
I seriously lol'd and i'm having even more respect for Dan than I had before. xD I mean this video is .. seriously tha bomb. I saw people saying "it's a joke", "omg srsly?", "I unsubbed!!" , ... It's indeed a good example of PDBAZ (those unsubbers) plus I find it a sign that Dan isn't vlogging and such for subscribers but to give his opinion whether the audience has the same or not. (dumbs up) This video is seriously invoking some drama but this drama is good =D Go Dan! lol im sorry ferre and whats wrong with my post?
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